FlightGear wiki talk:Quoting Guidelines

Guidelines exist, and articles should be rewritten to follow them

TL;DR summary: There are already quoting guidelines, and work on systematically rewriting articles to use less excessive quoting should be organized.

Having read through FlightGear wiki:Manual of Style#Quotations I have realized that this page is basically moot. Sorry. There are obviously already quoting guidelines and there need not be a conflicting or double standard (pun intended).

Further it is quite clear that in most cases the use of Instant-Cquotes have been have been outside and sometimes way outside those guidelines.

We should probably instead set up a page to organize a systematic rewriting of at least the pages that need it the most. I suggest we list the pages using Instant-Cquotes in a sortable table, rate them after priority and also how much they need rewriting, and of course also show the progress. Unfortunately the page counter is gone. It would have been most helpful.

As there are so many articles, there should probably be a table per category (watch out for pages in more than one category) and probably a separate table with the very most important pages.

As so many pages are involved, this work would take "some time".

—Johan G (Talk | contribs) 09:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

I'll do my best to help. Legoboyvdlp (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Table of articles with Instant-Cquotes

Here is hopefully the full table of pages (Vim, sort, regular expressions and substitutions for sure helps a lot).

Just to clarify: A low "Effort" rating represents that it is estimated that the article need little or no work to comply with the existing quoting guidelines, and a high effort rating that they need a lot of work to comply with the guidelines. Things adding to the "Effort" rating is, in order of influence: The amount of quotes, the length of the article, the length of the quotes, and the complexity of the article subject.

—Johan G (Talk | contribs) 14:11, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Priority should probably be based on the type/nature of article (e.g. those documenting existing features vs. those discussing ongoing/potential developments) --Hooray (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Article	Effort (1-5)	Priority (1-5)	Progress	Remarks
A NavDB Web Service	3	N/A	Done	Legoboyvdlp (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
ARINC 424	2	N/A	Pending
Airbus Flight Simulator	1	N/A	Not done	Not needed -- it illustrates the problem
Aircraft Center	5	N/A	Pending
Alternate Multiplayer Environment	4	N/A	Pending
Autopilot PID controller tuning resources	1	N/A	Pending
Autopilot configuration reference	1	N/A	Pending
Autostart	2	N/A	Done	Legoboyvdlp (talk) 21:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
Avidyne Entegra R9 Refactoring	4	N/A	Pending
Base Package Assembly	2	N/A	Pending
Building FlightGear	1	N/A	Pending
Building FlightGear - Cross Compiling	3	N/A	Pending
Building FlightGear with osgEarth Integration	3	N/A	Pending
Callbacks	1	N/A	Pending
Canvas	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas - Getting started	4	N/A	Pending
Canvas Animation Framework	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas Development	5	N/A	Pending
Canvas EFB Framework	5	N/A	Pending
Canvas Element	1	N/A	Pending
Canvas MFD Framework	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas MapStructure	4	N/A	Pending
Canvas MapStructure Layers	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas ND Framework	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas Nasal API	1	N/A	Pending
Canvas Nasal/JavaScript Subset	4	N/A	Pending
Canvas PFD Framework	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas Radar	2	N/A	Pending
Canvas Sandbox	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas Snippets	1	N/A	Pending
Canvas Troubleshooting	2	N/A	Pending
Canvas Widgets	3	N/A	Pending
Canvas-hackers	1	N/A	Pending
Catalog metadata	1	N/A	Pending
Changelog 2016.2	1	N/A	Pending
Chat Menu	1	N/A	Pending
Cleaning up legacy code	2	N/A	Pending
Combat Support in FlightGear	3	N/A	Pending
CompositeViewer Support	4	N/A	Pending
Control Display Unit	1	N/A	Pending
CrashRpt	2	N/A	Pending
Decoupling the AI Traffic System	4	N/A	Pending
Developing using CMake	1	N/A	Pending
Documentation compiler	2	N/A	Pending
Draw masks	3	N/A	Pending
Earth Flight Sim	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Entitlement	4	N/A	Pending
Error:Version Check failed	2	N/A	Pending	Should probably be part of the FAQ.
FGCanvas	5	N/A	Pending
FGPythonSys	5	N/A	Pending
FGViewer	2	N/A	Pending
Failure Manager	3	N/A	Pending
Feature Scaling	5	N/A	Pending
Federate	3	N/A	Pending
Fgtape	4	N/A	Pending
File:TerraGear LOD - level 2 first level of simplification-0.png	1	N/A	Pending
File:TerraGear LOD in fgviewer.png	1	N/A	Pending
Fixing Presets	3	N/A	Pending
Flight Aviator	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Flight Pro Sim	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Flight Sim Pro	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Flight Simulator Plus	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightGear 4.xx Roadmap	1	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Benchmark	4	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Git: splitting fgdata	3	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Headless	4	N/A	Pending
FlightGear I/O Considerations	4	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Launch Control	1	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Multiplayer Server	1	N/A	Done
FlightGear Newsletter April 2015	1	N/A	Not done	Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter August 2015	1	N/A	Not done	Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter January 2015	2	N/A	Not done	Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter July 2014	3	N/A	Not done	Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter June 2015	2	N/A	Not done	Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter May 2014	4	N/A	Not done	While being very "messy" it is an archived Newsletter
FlightGear Package Manager	3	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Plugins	3	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Pro	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightGear Run Levels	3	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Security	1	N/A	Pending
FlightGear Version Check	2	N/A	Pending
FlightGear WorldTerrain SkyBox Server	4	N/A	Pending
FlightGear and old Hardware	2	N/A	Pending
FlightGear build server	2	N/A	Pending
FlightGear high-level architecture support	4	N/A	Pending
FlightGear wiki talk:Instant-Cquotes	1	N/A	Pending
FlightGear wiki:Instant-Cquotes	2	N/A	Done	-- ElGaton (talk to me) 02:57, 3 May 2016 (EDT) (note: a single quote has been kept for illustrative purposes)
FlightGear wiki:Village pump/Archive 2014	1	N/A	Not done	Archived talk page
FlightProSim	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightSimPro	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightSimulatorPlus	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Forum communication	3	N/A	Pending
GUI Messages	2	N/A	Pending
Garmin GNS530	3	N/A	Pending
Garmin GPSMap 196	3	N/A	Pending
Graphics Card Profiles	2	N/A	Pending
HLA Timeline	3	N/A	Pending
Helicopter Flight Simulator	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Hosting required	1	N/A	Pending
How the Nasal GC works	5	N/A	Pending
Howto talk:Parsing binary data received via UDP in C	2	N/A	Pending	Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Place 3D objects with WED	2	N/A	Pending	Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Troubleshooting Aircraft Performance Issues	2	N/A	Pending	Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Troubleshooting Nasal Callbacks	2	N/A	Pending	Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Use the system monitor	2	N/A	Pending	Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto:Activate multi core and multi GPU support	3	N/A	Pending
Howto:Add new fgcommands to FlightGear	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Add sound effects to aircraft	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Animated jetways	1	N/A	Pending
Howto:Canvas Splash Screens	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Canvas Troubleshooting	3	N/A	Pending
Howto:Coding a simple Nasal Framework	3	N/A	Pending
Howto:Create a custom version of FlightGear	1	N/A	Pending
Howto:Create new subsystems	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Creating SVG-based Canvas Avionics	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Decrease the number of faces	1	N/A	Not done	The quote perfectly illustrates the situation on many computers
Howto:Disable Nasal entirely	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Dynamic Liveries via Canvas	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Editing and creating GUI dialogs in FlightGear	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Extending Canvas to support rendering 3D models	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Getting started with Glass Cockpit Avionics Development	3	N/A	Pending
Howto:Make an aircraft	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Make nice screenshots	1	N/A	Pending
Howto:Make subsystems optional	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Making a Canvas Menubar	3	N/A	Pending
Howto:Multiplayer	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Optimizing FlightGear for mobile devices	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Place 3D objects with WED	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Port I/O from Nasal	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Processing legacy PUI dialogs using Canvas	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Reset/re-init Troubleshooting	3	N/A	Pending
Howto:Shader programming in FlightGear	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Start core development	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Troubleshooting Aircraft Performance Issues	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Troubleshooting Nasal Callbacks	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Use Property Tree Objects	4	N/A	Pending
Howto:Use the system monitor	2	N/A	Pending
Howto:Using FlightGear as an Image Generator (IG)	1	N/A	Pending
Howto:Write a FlightGear Review	4	N/A	Pending
Implementing VNAV support in FlightGear	5	N/A	Pending
Initializing Nasal early	5	N/A	Pending
Instant Replay	2	N/A	Pending
Instructor Station	4	N/A	Pending
Integrated Qt5 Launcher	5	N/A	Pending
It/Come fare:Multiplayer	2	N/A	Pending
JSBSim vs YASim	2	N/A	Pending
Legacy System Support	3	N/A	Pending
Long Term Goals	3	N/A	Pending
MBB Bo 105	1	N/A	Pending
Mailing lists	1	N/A	Pending
Minimal Startup Profile	2	N/A	Pending
Modeling - Getting Started	1	N/A	Pending
Modularizing, parallelizing and distributing FlightGear	5	N/A	Pending
Multi-Threading in FlightGear	4	N/A	Pending
Multiplayer protocol	1	N/A	Pending
Nasal HLA standalone	4	N/A	Pending
Nasal Loops	2	N/A	Pending
Nasal for C++ programmers	4	N/A	Pending
Nasal library	3	N/A	Pending
Nasal success stories	3	N/A	Pending
Nasal/CppBind	4	N/A	Pending
Navdata cache	5	N/A	Pending
No1realflightsimever	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
OSG on screen stats	2	N/A	Pending
OculusImplementation	1	N/A	Pending
OpenCL in FlightGear	4	N/A	Pending
Osm2city.py	2	N/A	Pending
PagedLOD	5	N/A	Pending
Particle system	4	N/A	Pending
Pro Flight Simulator	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Pro Flight Simulator 2013	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
ProFlightSimulator	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Project Farmin	3	N/A	Pending
Project Rembrandt	4	N/A	Pending
Property Tree/Web Server	2	N/A	Pending
Property browser	2	N/A	Pending
PropertyList XML files	2	N/A	Pending
Pros Flight Simulator Suite	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Python in FlightGear	4	N/A	Pending
Random Buildings	2	N/A	Pending
Reaching for the stars	3	N/A	Pending
Real Flight Simulator	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Realism	1	N/A	Done	Legoboyvdlp (talk) 21:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
Recommended Property Tree Enhancements	1	N/A	Pending
Red Bull Air Race	1	N/A	Not done	The single quote was left as is
Release plan	2	N/A	Pending
Release plan/Lessons learned	5	N/A	Pending
Release: Airport Selection Criteria	3	N/A	Pending
Remote Properties	5	N/A	Pending
Reset & re-init	4	N/A	Pending
Resolving Paths	2	N/A	Pending
Resource Tracking for FlightGear	4	N/A	Pending
SG LOG	2	N/A	Pending
SPT Loader	5	N/A	Pending
Scenery	3	N/A	Pending
Scripted AI Objects	3	N/A	Pending
Scripted SVG parser for Canvas	2	N/A	Pending
Shader requests	2	N/A	Pending
Slaving for Dummies	3	N/A	Pending
SpaceFDM	4	N/A	Pending
Startup Situations	3	N/A	Pending
Startup log file	2	N/A	Pending
Status of AI in FlightGear	5	N/A	Pending
Superbuild	2	N/A	Pending
Supporting multiple renderers	4	N/A	Pending
Switching default texture format to DDS	5	N/A	Pending
Talk:ALS technical notes	3	N/A	Pending	Development suggestions should probably be condensed and published elsewhere
Talk:Bombable	2	N/A	Pending	Development suggestions should probably be condensed and published elsewhere
Talk:Canvas Development	3	N/A	Pending	Development suggestions should probably be condensed and published elsewhere
Talk:Canvas Snippets	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:CrashRpt	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:Draw masks	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:External Cargo Proposal (Slung Load)	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:FlightGear 4.xx Roadmap	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:FlightGear Multiplayer Server	4	N/A	Pending
Talk:FlightGear Version Check	2	N/A	Pending	Development suggestions should probably published elsewhere
Talk:FlightGear build server	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:Mailing lists	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:Particle system	3	N/A	Pending
Talk:Switching default texture format to DDS	1	N/A	Pending
Talk:TerraGear roadmap	3	N/A	Pending
Talk:Towards better troubleshooting	2	N/A	Pending
Talk:Understanding Rembrandt	1	N/A	Pending
Telnet usage	2	N/A	Pending
Template talk:Repo link	1	N/A	Pending
Template:Callback Disclaimer	2	N/A	Pending
Template:CppBind Ideas	4	N/A	Pending
Template:FGCquote	1	N/A	Not done	Illustrates the use of the template
TerraGear roadmap	1	N/A	Pending
TerraGear scenery build server	3	N/A	Pending
TerraSync	1	N/A	Pending
The FlightGear Front-End Situation	2	N/A	Pending
The FlightGear Initialization Sequence	1	N/A	Pending
The FlightGear Main Loop	5	N/A	Pending
The FlightGear Rendering Pipeline	4	N/A	Pending
The Property tree and HLA	2	N/A	Pending
Time in FlightGear	4	N/A	Pending
Towards better troubleshooting	4	N/A	Pending
Troubleshooting crashes	2	N/A	Pending
Turbulence	2	N/A	Pending
USB HID Support	3	N/A	Pending
Understanding Forward Compatibility	3	N/A	Pending
Understanding Rembrandt	4	N/A	Pending
Unifying the 2D rendering backend via canvas	3	N/A	Pending
User:Hamzaalloush	N/A	N/A	Not done	Quote on user page added by the user
User:Hooray/SandBox/FlightGear Performance and Run-Time Footprint Debate	N/A	N/A	Not done	Quotes on user page added by the user
User:Red Leader/Sandbox/AJAX test	N/A	N/A	Not done	Quotes on user page added by the user
Using OSM Vector Data in FlightGear	3	N/A	Pending
Using listeners and signals with Nasal	2	N/A	Pending
Virtual ATC Discussion	4	N/A	Pending
Virtual CoPilot	5	N/A	Pending
VirtualPilot3D	1	N/A	Not done	See Airbus Flight Simulator
Volunteer	4	N/A	Pending
Vsync	3	N/A	Pending
Waypoint	2	N/A	Pending
Weekly Developer Hangout	3	N/A	Pending
Wiki Housekeepking	2	N/A	Pending

I am now done rating the articles and assessing the work required took about five hours in total.

I feel I should probably clarify that articles rated 1 (one), those requiring the least work, is the ones not really requiring any work. The articles rated 5 (five) I would suspect could take several hours to work days (each) to get in line with the manual of style and into good articles (in essence concise yet comprehensive and without redundant statements or repetitions, and of course also correct and interlinked with other articles).

Even with a small team dedicated only to getting these articles in order it would take a long time. I am a bit frustrated with myself for not raising the issue a long time ago.

Regarding the priority, what criteria should there be? Often used features, much linked articles, closer to core and/or other aspects?

Also, I am considering splitting this article in two parts: One part as part of a much needed wiki quality improvement project, and one larger part that should probably be merged into the FlightGear wiki:Instant-Cquotes article.

—Johan G (Talk | contribs) 03:27, 4 April 2016 (EDT)