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Wouldn't be a simple footer with a link to the statement better than inserting quotes? | Wouldn't be a simple footer with a link to the statement better than inserting quotes? | ||
--[[User:HHS|HHS]] ([[User talk:HHS|talk]]) 09:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | --[[User:HHS|HHS]] ([[User talk:HHS|talk]]) 09:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | ||
: Hi HHS, assuming that you are referring to my edits: those are primarily about coding issues, so it may not be obvious to you if/how those are useful, but there are a number of very concrete features that have materialized by "bootstrapping" things like this over the last years. | |||
: Now, whenever you start an article, or add significantly to it, you are obviously free to take over maintenance and "veto" any changes that you disagree with. | |||
: As you can easily verify, I am not at all involved in anything relating to helicopters, so be assured that I won't interfere with any of your contributions in that department - that is, unless there's relevant feature requests and discussions to be summarized - in which case, I would consider any relevant additions to be outside the scope of the two topics you mention. | |||
: If in doubt, I'll hereby promise to get in touch with you upfront, should I desire to contribute to any of "your" articles. So there's no need to use any blackmailing tactics by making any of your potential contributions dependent on whether a certain contributor agrees with you or not. | |||
: The discussions you are referring to were specifically about the newsletter, where it was primarily Gijs who stated that such quotes should be cleaned up, and I have stated that I won't interfere with any such quality standards, but -like you- I would simply prefer to have such quality standards established first. | |||
: Like I said elsewhere, I do not even disagree with the arguments made, but obviously it takes much more time to rephrase and summarize discussions than copying relevant statements directly to the wiki. Still, some concrete features (in terms of code) were very much based on such summarized discussions. | |||
: Besides, I am really not sure why some people are turning into drama queens, and even attention junkies when it comes to certain contributions - especially people who have no significant/visible track record of contributing to the wiki in any major way? | |||
: Obviously, this doesn't apply to people like Gijs, Johan_G and Thorsten whose feedback is obviously valuable-but I find it hard to believe that someone who -allegedly- "wanted to find some needed information in the wiki" would be affected by contributions, or even discussions/flame wars, in completely unrelated wiki articles-if that's the case, I would suggest that you may need help to properly use the wiki-for which you can get in touch with any of the admins, including myself - we'll be glad to provide all the assistance that you may need, including help with editing/improving articles. | |||
: As a fellow wiki contributor, I happen to find massive edit histories confusing, i.e. all the maintenance work done by Gijs and Johan_G is hard to keep track of-but otherwise, I don't usually participate in discussions that I am not affected by. So, I find it kinda fascinating how you are apparently affected by flamewars taking place on very much unrelated talk pages ? | |||
: Thus, I am looking forward to your contributions and I am offering to walk you through the necessary steps to integrate your changes properly, without being affected by completely unrelated articles, and their discussions. If there are any helicopter related articles that contain "meaningless quotes" in your opinion, please do feel free to either remove those (you can add a note or HTML comments tag to easily hide huge sections), raise the issue on the article's talk page (using civil language preferably), or simply point out those articles here, so that I can take a look. | |||
: Once again, like I previously said, flame wars and disagreements are always unfortunate, but they come with the territority, and usually it takes at least '''two''' - and certain language is more likely to elicit behavior that we as a community find destructive - but apparently, there's also quite a bit of behind-the-scenes networking going on, so that subjectivity gets lost quickly. | |||
: As I previously said, on wikipedia (or even just the FlightGear forum), your language would have gotten your comments censored, and your account quite possibly banned temporarily - so whatever your intentions were, you were almost certainly contributing to the problem, not the solution. | |||
: Now, I didn't take any actions, because I am obviously not subjective, and because I don't normally get involved in moderating stuff - but whenever two parties (like i4dnf and myself) decide to escalate a discussion beyond a certain point, it is up to '''them''' to deal with the terms - you shouldn't just show up and get involved without also expecting to be treated accordingly, especially given your choice of language - no matter if your hobby/profession is psychology or not, the kind of name calling you started would have been absolutely inappropriate elsewhere, especially for someone who's trying to be authoritative about a discussion that he hasn't even be involved in at all. | |||
: And exactly the same thing happened a couple of days ago on the P51d's talk page where you were trying to "moderate" things in a rather blunt fashion - in the meantime, I have been in touch with hvengel via PM and exchanged a number of PMs with concrete suggestions on potential '''Nasal''' related issues (that you seem to be entirely unaware of, but still feel qualified to comment on ...), so that I simply disregarded your edits and tone. | |||
: Finally, if you're interested in becoming a moderator to help moderate the wiki or forum, I suggest to get in touch with Gijs or Curt to get you set up - help is always needed and appreciated (I never asked for any of those "privileges", I prefer unencumbered discussions personally) - and I am more than willing to hand over the corresponding duties to you if they agree - but would suggest that you try to follow your own advice about applying good quality standards, but also an appropriate tone - while resisting the temptation to get involved in debates that you don't fully understand. | |||
: All this doesn't mean however that I wouldn't agree with your comments on having a quality standard established. Or that I wouldn't appreciate your contributions. --[[User:Hooray|Hooray]] ([[User talk:Hooray|talk]]) 14:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
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