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Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.


== The mailing lists ==
== Overview of mailing lists==
 
===Discussion lists===
Discussion lists are used by the FlightGear contributor community to discuss work on the FlightGear project.
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
! List
!List
! Contents
!Status
!Contents
<!-- ! Status -->
<!-- ! Status -->
! Archive
!Archive
! Subscribe
 
! E-mail address
!Subscribe
! Remarks
!E-mail address
!Remarks
<!--
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #33cf83; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Active
| rowspan="1" style="background: #33cf83; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Active
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|-
|-
| flightgear-announce
| rowspan="1" style="background: green; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-devel
| FlightGear announcements  
|Active
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-announce}}
|FlightGear developer discussions
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-announce}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-devel}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-announce}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-devel}}
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-devel}}
|Most active list (primary)
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-announce
|Inactive
|FlightGear announcements
 
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-announce}}
|
{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-announce}}
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-announce}}
| Last post 2015
| Last post 2015
|-
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-bugs
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-bugs
| Bug tracker messages
|Inactive
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-bugs}}
| Bug tracker messages '''(no longer for reporting bugs)'''
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-bugs}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-bugs}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-bugs}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-bugs}}
| Apparently dismissed
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-bugs}}
|'''Deprecated in favor of the {{Create ticket|issue tracker}}.'''
|-
|-
| flightgear-builds
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-flightmodel
| Chatter from the FlightGear build servers
|Inactive
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-builds}}
|Flight model discussions
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-builds}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-flightmodel}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-builds}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-flightmodel}}
|  
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-flightmodel}}
| Last post 2017.
|-
|-
| flightgear-commitlogs
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-newsletter
| Source code change commit logs
|Inactive
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-commitlogs}}
|[[FlightGear Newsletter|Newsletter]] announcements and discussions
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-commitlogs}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-newsletter}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-commitlogs}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-newsletter}}
| As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913347/
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-newsletter}}
|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
|Last post 2012
|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
}}</ref> In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913630/
|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
|author=<nowiki>Edward d'Auvergne</nowiki>
|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913846/
|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
}}</ref>
|-
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-cvslogs
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-scenery
| CVS commit logs
|Inactive
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-cvslogs}}
|Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-cvslogs}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-scenery}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-cvslogs}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-scenery}}
| Apparently dismissed. Last post 2010.
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-scenery}}
|
|-
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: green; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-devel
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-users
| FlightGear developer discussions
| Inactive
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-devel}}
| FlightGear user discussions
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-devel}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-users}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-devel}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-users}}
| Most active list (primary)
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-users}}
|Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
|}
 
===Automated lists===
These mailing lists are not used for discussion, but are intended to provide information for developers about the status of builds and commit activity.
{| class="wikitable"
!List
!Status
!Contents
<!-- ! Status -->
!Archive
 
!Subscribe
!E-mail address
!Remarks
<!--
| rowspan="1" style="background: #33cf83; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Active
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ffe344; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Quiet
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Inactive
-->
|-
|-
| flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs
| rowspan="1" style="background: green; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-builds
| Commit logs for the [[FGAddon]] repository (content developers)
|Active
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
|Chatter from the FlightGear build servers
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-builds}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-builds}}
|  
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-builds}}
|
|-
|-
| flightgear-flightmodel
| rowspan="1" style="background: green; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-commitlogs
| Flight model discussions
|Active
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-flightmodel}}
|Source code change commit logs
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-flightmodel}}
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-flightmodel}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| Last post 2017.
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-commmitlogs}}  
|
|-
|-
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-newsletter
| rowspan="1" style="background: green; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs
| [[FlightGear Newsletter|Newsletter]] announcements and discussions
|Active
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-newsletter}}
|Commit logs for the [[FGAddon]] repository (content developers)
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-newsletter}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-newsletter}}
|{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
| Last post 2012
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
|
|-
|-
| flightgear-scenery
| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" |flightgear-cvslogs
| Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.
|Inactive
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-scenery}}
|CVS commit logs
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-scenery}}
 
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-scenery}}
|{{Mailing list archive|flightgear-cvslogs}}
|  
|
|-
{{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| flightgear-users
|{{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-cvslogs}}  
| FlightGear user discussions
|Apparently dismissed. Last post 2010.
| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-users}}
| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-users}}
| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-users}}
| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
|}
|}


== How to subscribe to a mailing list ==
==Subscribing to a mailing list==
To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:
To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:
 
# Click a '''Subscribe''' link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.[[File:SourceForge_Mailing_List_Signup_Page.png|none|thumb|795x795px]]
# Click a '''Subscribe''' link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
#Enter your e-mail address in the '''Email''' field.
# Enter your e-mail address in the '''Your email address:''' box. You can optionally also:
#Select your country in the '''Country''' field.
#* give your name;
#Select whether you wish to receive '''SourceForge Newsletters.'''
#* choose to receive e-mails ''batched in a daily digest'' (merged in a single message) or not;
#Agree to the '''SourceForge''' '''Privacy Policy.'''
#* choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
<ol start="3">
{{warning|Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail (this means that someone snooping on your messages might be able to get it).}}
<li> Click the {{button|Subscribe}} button. </li>
<ol start="3">
<li> You will be sent a confirmation e-mail, go to your email client and open the confirmation email (check your Spam folder if necessary). </li>
<li>Click the {{button|Subscribe}} button.</li>
<li>Click on '''Confirm Your Subscription.''' [[File:Mailing_List_Email_Confirmation.png|none|thumb|813x813px]] </li>
<li>You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.</li>
<li>This will take you to a SourceForge page confirming that you have successfully joined the mailing list. You can close this tab.[[File:Mailing_list_confirmation_complete.png|none|thumb|815x815px]]</li>
<li>SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on {{button|Subscribe to list ''list name''}} to complete the process.</li>
<li>Afterwards, you will receive a welcome email from SourceForge summarizing the details of your subscription.{{warning|SourceForge will send you an auto-generated password in cleartext in the welcome email. This has certain security implications, and it is strongly recommended that you should not re-use this password anywhere else.}}
</ol>
[[File:Mailing_list_welcome_message.png|frameless|819x819px]]
</li>
</ol>


== Posting to mailing lists ==
==Posting to mailing lists==
To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.<ref name="MLPolicy">{{cite web
To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.<ref name="MLPolicy">{{cite web
|url    = https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=244916
|url    = https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=244916
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Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.
Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.


== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
==Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported to the issue tracker}} instead of posting them to a mailing list.
Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported to the issue tracker}} instead of posting them to a mailing list.


You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.


== Mailing list archives ==
== Mailing list archives==
Searchable archives are available at [https://marc.info/?l=flightgear-devel&r=1&w=2 '''marc.info''']. This site allows searching by topic name, searching by content of mailing list posts, browsing each month's topics, and searching by author. It doesn't have a thread view, but it has links to the next and previous posts in each topic thread.
Searchable archives are available at [https://marc.info/?l=flightgear-devel&r=1&w=2 '''marc.info''']. This site allows searching by topic name, searching by content of mailing list posts, browsing each month's topics, and searching by author. It doesn't have a thread view, but it has links to the next and previous posts in each topic thread.


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The mailing lists are also searchable from the [https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/search/?q= sourceforge website]. Tips: Try searching the relevant mailing list e.g. 'fg-devel', increasing number of results, and click on the post date column to change sorting order from newest to oldest. Each results contains a view entire thread link down the bottom, but as of writing this (April 2021), the thread view is a broken or inconsistent.
The mailing lists are also searchable from the [https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/search/?q= sourceforge website]. Tips: Try searching the relevant mailing list e.g. 'fg-devel', increasing number of results, and click on the post date column to change sorting order from newest to oldest. Each results contains a view entire thread link down the bottom, but as of writing this (April 2021), the thread view is a broken or inconsistent.


== External links ==
==External links==
* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html FlightGear mailing list details]
*[http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html FlightGear mailing list details]
* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ List of all project mailing lists on SourceForge]
*[[sourceforge:p/flightgear/mailman/|List of all project mailing lists on SourceForge]]


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