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{{Note|Also see the new [[Aircraft-set.xml#Variants_.283.6.2B.29|<tt><nowiki><variant-of></nowiki></tt> tag]] which could be used for this}}
{{Note|Also see the new [[Aircraft-set.xml#Variants_.283.6.2B.29|<tt><nowiki><variant-of></nowiki></tt> tag]] which could be used for this}}
== Motivation ==
It's quite common to want to start a flight simulator on a 5 or 7 or 10 mile approach so you can practice ILS landing.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17544.html |title= Startup position offsets (fg_init)|author=Curtis Olson |date=Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:25:57 -0700}} </ref>|
There are many aircraft with complex (realistic) startup procedures, and while *some* aircraft have an autostart function, there is no standardised property to control that function - though one could certainly be defined. Of course, that's classic standardisation chicken-and-egg. I'm all in favour of it, but it's not something that can be done in the short term.<ref>
{{cite web
  | url    = http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/24944253/
  | title  = <nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issue with default starting scenario</nowiki>
  | author = <nowiki>James Turner</nowiki>
  | date  = Apr 6th, 2010
  | added  = Apr 6th, 2010
  | script_version = 0.25
  }}</ref>
As previously reported, the corresponding [[Fixing Presets|presets]] have no effect during a re-init, e.g. via fgcommand("presets-commit").<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg20095.html |title= a few more bugs|author=John Denker|date=  Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:50:28 -0800}} </ref>


== Background ==
== Background ==
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There is still some opportunity for improvement in connection with presets-commit and with FDM init in general.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg20095.html |title= location-in-air|
There is still some opportunity for improvement in connection with presets-commit and with FDM init in general.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg20095.html |title= location-in-air|
author=John Denker|date=Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:20:14 -0800}} </ref>|John Denker}}
author=John Denker|date=Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:20:14 -0800}} </ref>|John Denker}}
{{cquote|it's quite common to want to start a flight simulator on a 5 or 7 or 10 mile approach so you can practice ILS landing.
<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17544.html |title= Startup position offsets (fg_init)|author=Curtis Olson |date=Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:25:57 -0700}} </ref>|Curtis Olson}}
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|1= there are many aircraft with complex (realistic) startup procedures, and while *some* aircraft have an autostart function, there is no standardised property to control that function - though one could certainly be defined. Of course, that's classic standardisation chicken-and-egg. I'm all in favour of it, but it's not something that can be done in the short term.
|2= {{cite web
  | url    = http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/24944253/
  | title  = <nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issue with default starting scenario</nowiki>
  | author = <nowiki>James Turner</nowiki>
  | date  = Apr 6th, 2010
  | added  = Apr 6th, 2010
  | script_version = 0.25
  }}
}}
{{cquote|As previously reported, the corresponding presets have no effect during a re-init, e.g. via fgcommand("presets-commit").<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg20095.html |title= a few more bugs|author=John Denker|date=  Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:50:28 -0800}} </ref>|John Denker}}


{{cquote|Once the users intentions have been communicated to the FDM module, it's really up to the particular FDM, (JSBsim or YAsim) to do the right thing with the provide information.  That does seem to have broke down at some point.  I used to be able to happily start both YAsim and JSBsim aircraft in flight, but had zero luck last time I tried.
{{cquote|Once the users intentions have been communicated to the FDM module, it's really up to the particular FDM, (JSBsim or YAsim) to do the right thing with the provide information.  That does seem to have broke down at some point.  I used to be able to happily start both YAsim and JSBsim aircraft in flight, but had zero luck last time I tried.

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