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You can define any point on Earth as the Initial-Starting-Position for your Flight Gear-Session, as well on airports as outside, ashore or in the mids of the oceans, even somewhere in the air above. You even do not need to have the Sceneries installed for that Starting-Position! ''(But if the scenery is not available you will see nothing but a big blue water around you – wherever you are! Of course you could load that scenery then by [[TerraSync]]'')
You can define any point on Earth as the Initial-Starting-Position for your Flight Gear-Session, as well on airports as outside, ashore or in the mids of the oceans, even somewhere in the air above. You even do not need to have the Sceneries installed for that Starting-Position! ''(But if the scenery is not available you will see nothing but a big blue water around you – wherever you are! Of course you could load that scenery then by [[TerraSync]]'')


If you are flying just by yourself (i.e. without having [[Howto:Multiplayer|Multipayer]] activated) you may just choose an airport and leave it up to FlightGear to place you somewhere onto a runway. That is the most easiest procedure at all – but absolutely unrealistic – '''and if done, while others are around, it is absolutely recklessness against those already there!''' Because if you start FlightGear with the [[Howto:Multiplayer|MP-Options]] directly on a runway you cannot watch for somebody being there already, or being on short final to it, or if there is an [[:Howto: Be a controller|ATC]] who may start to dislike you a lot, or … or ...! Best is you just use proper procedures and always start at a parking-position, gate, or terminal when you are not alone! That way you even have the advantage of getting accustomed to the controls and instruments again while taxiing to the runway.
If you are flying just by yourself (i.e. without having [[Howto: Multiplayer|Multiplayer]] activated) you may just choose an airport and leave it up to FlightGear to place you somewhere onto a runway. That is the most easiest procedure at all – but absolutely unrealistic – '''and if done, while others are around, it is absolutely recklessness against those already there!''' Because if you start FlightGear with the [[Howto: Multiplayer|MP-Options]] directly on a runway you cannot watch for somebody being there already, or being on short final to it, or if there is an [[:Howto: Be a controller|ATC]] who may start to dislike you a lot, or … or ...! Best is you just use proper procedures and always start at a parking-position, gate, or terminal when you are not alone! That way you even have the advantage of getting accustomed to the controls and instruments again while taxiing to the runway.


'''So please consider the following procedures to define your start-position in FlightGear:'''
'''So please consider the following procedures to define your start-position in FlightGear:'''
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==Starting-Position per GPS-Data==
==Starting-Position per GPS-Data==
You always have 3 possibilities to define your Starting-Positions by [[GPS]]:
You always have 3 possibilities to define your Starting-Positions by [[GPS]]:
[[File:KRHV-startpoistion.png|250px|thumb|left|]]1. Open [[MPmap]] and zoom into the airport you wish. Move your Mouse-pointer to the place you want – e.g. to the place on KRHV where “jomo” is parked now. And then read the lat/lon-data in the upper right corner (see the big red arrow). In addition decide on the direction you want to view: In the example on the right that is parallel to runway 31R, i.e. 310°+14°=324°. (The 14° are the difference between the magnetic and the cartographic North-pole in that area – if you do not know it: Just try e.g. the 310° and vary the heading until you are satisfied – or try the next item!)
[[File:KRHV-startpoistion.png|250px|thumb|left|]]1. Open [[MPmap]] and zoom into the airport you wish. Move your Mouse-pointer to the place you want – e.g. to the place on KRHV where “jomo” is parked now. And then read the lat/lon-data in the upper right corner (see the big red arrow). In addition decide on the direction you want to view: In the example on the left that is parallel to runway 31R, i.e. 310°+14°=324°. (The 14° are the difference between the magnetic and the cartographic North-pole in that area – if you do not know it: Just try e.g. the 310° and vary the heading until you are satisfied – or try the next item!)


2. You could also just land on that airport and taxi to a parking-lot you like and park there. After parking open inside your cockpit ''''Menü → File → Browse Internal Properties → position'''' and note down the „latitude-deg“ and „longitude-deg“ (up to 6 decimal places is enough!). The needed heading you can take directly from your Compass.
2. You could also just land on that airport and taxi to a parking-lot you like and park there. After parking open inside your cockpit ''''Menü → File → Browse Internal Properties → position'''' and note down the „latitude-deg“ and „longitude-deg“ (up to 6 decimal places is enough!). The needed heading you can take directly from your Compass.
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*If you start '''with a command or a command-file''' just add the options, eg.:
*If you start '''with a command or a command-file''' just add the options, eg.:
:''''--lat=37.334047 --lon=-121.816320 --heading=234''''
:''''--lat=37.334047 --lon=-121.816320 --heading=324''''


''If after that you end up in KSFO instead of where you wanted, then you probably have mixed up the Longitude and Latitude – or mistyped - or you found a new way to define a non existing place on earth!''
''If after that you end up in KSFO instead of where you wanted, then you probably have mixed up the Longitude and Latitude – or mistyped - or you found a new way to define a non existing place on earth!''
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*'''With [[FlightGear Launch Control|FGrun]]''' you can (since version 2) input the needed data direct into  ''''“Advanced” → “Initial Position”''''.
*'''With [[FlightGear Launch Control|FGrun]]''' you can (since version 2) input the needed data direct into  ''''“Advanced” → “Initial Position”''''.
*'''For a command file''' add options like:
*'''For a command file''' add options like:
::--vor or --ndb or --fix or --carrier or --airport
::--vor <small>or</small> --ndb <small>or</small> --fix <small>or</small> --carrier <small>or</small> --airport
::--offset-distance and --offset-azimuth (if wanted)
::--offset-distance <small>and</small> --offset-azimuth <small>(if wanted)</small>
::--on-ground or --altitude=feet
::--on-ground <small>or</small> --altitude=feet
:Try e.g.  ''''--fix=FITKI --heading=276 --vc=100 --altitude=1500''''
:Try e.g.  ''''--fix=FITKI --heading=276 --vc=100 --altitude=1500''''
:that will place you directly over a FIX for the ILS approach for runway 27R at KOAK. The speed (vc=100) fits to a C172 and the altitude (1500) is the proper altitude on the glide-slope for that. So this is a good Start for training visual Approaches (and or ILS). Other FIX-points you may find by opening [[MPmap]] in the area you are interested in and search for “all fixes”. (ref. http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Mpmap )
:that will place you directly over a FIX for the ILS approach for runway 27R at KOAK. The speed (vc=100) fits to a C172 and the altitude (1500) is the proper altitude on the glide-slope for that. So this is a good Start for training visual Approaches (and or ILS). Other FIX-points you may find by opening [[MPmap]] in the area you are interested in and search for “all fixes”. (ref. http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Mpmap )


==Starting-Position direct on a Runway==
==Starting-Position direct on a Runway==
This is the easiest way to start – and thus often used to get beginners into the air for the first time! But as I point out at the beginning you should use this option only when you are all by yourself, that means without [[Howto: Multiplayer|Multipayer]] activated! And all of us will be very thankful if you promote not to use this option when other [[Howto: Multiplayer|Multiplayer]] are in the area!
This is the easiest way to start – and thus often used to get beginners into the air for the first time! But as I pointed out at the beginning you should use this option only when you are all by yourself, that means without [[Howto: Multiplayer|Multiplayer]] activated! And all of us will be very thankful if you promote not to use this option when other [[Howto: Multiplayer|Multiplayer]] are in the area!


Anyhow there exist 2 possibilities for this:
Anyhow there exist 2 possibilities for this:
===Starting-position by defining just the airport===
===Starting-position by defining just the airport===
In this case FlightGear choses a runway itself according to wind-direction etc. - and thus assigns the very same place for everybody (that wants to be piled up one above the other!). This usually end's up with lots of bad words by  
In this case FlightGear choses a runway itself according to wind-direction etc. - and thus assigns the very same place for everybody ''(that wants to be piled up one above the other!)''. This usually end's up with lots of bad words by  
*pilots just being on short final and suddenly see some obstacle appearing on their runway! Not every pilot is then cool enough to continue going through that other guy
*pilots just being on short final and suddenly see some obstacle appearing on their runway! Not every pilot is then cool enough to continue going through that other guy
*pilots suddenly sitting in their plane within your plane!
*pilots suddenly sitting in their plane within your plane!
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So we definitely do not suggest to use this option – but if you want to use it (when you are alone!):
So we definitely do not suggest to use this option – but if you want to use it (when you are alone!):
*'''in [[FlightGear Launch Control|FGrun]]:''' Just pick an Airport
*'''in [[FlightGear Launch Control|FGrun]]:''' Just pick an Airport
*'''for a command-file''' add e.g. the option: --airport=KOAK
*'''for a command-file''' add e.g. the option:
<br><br>
::''''--airport=KOAK''''
<br>
===Starting-position by defining an airport and a runway===
===Starting-position by defining an airport and a runway===
This is even worse than the above! To all that bad happenings from before you are now even prone to start in a different direction to the other traffic! And thus those others would not just use even worse words – they would even laugh about you, that “stupid that does not know that you must start against the wind!”
This is even worse than the above! To all that bad happenings from before you are now even prone to start in a different direction to the other traffic! And thus those others would not just use even worse words – they would even laugh about you, that “stupid that does not know that you must start against the wind!”
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In that case:
In that case:
*'''in [[FlightGear Launch Control|FGrun]]''' select in addition to the wanted Airport also the wanted runway
*'''in [[FlightGear Launch Control|FGrun]]''' select in addition to the wanted Airport also the wanted runway
*'''for a command-file''' add e.g. the option: ''''--airport=KOAK --runway=33''''
*'''for a command-file''' add e.g. the option:
::''''--airport=KOAK --runway=33''''
You can find available and fitting Runways in [[MPmap]] by selecting the Airport wanted and zooming in.
You can find available and fitting Runways in [[MPmap]] by selecting the Airport wanted and zooming in.
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