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Airbus A330

2026-08-10T19:08:17Z

SP-NTX:

{{:{{PAGENAME}}/info}}

The '''Airbus A330''' is a series of twinjet narrow body commercial passenger jets manufactured by Airbus Industrié (Airbus SE).

This is an accurate, and complex recreation of the Airbus A330.

Remember to remove -master when downloading!

'''Development is currently on hold awaiting restructuring.'''

== Airbus_A330 Overview ==

GE - [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_CF6 General Electric CF6]

PW - [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW4000 Pratt & Whitney PW4000] (-100)

RR - [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_700 Rolls Royce Trent 700]

Includes:
* A330-203 (GE)
* A330-223 (PW)
* A330-243 (RR)
* A330-223F (PW)
* A330-243F (RR)
* A330-303 (GE)
* A330-323 (PW)
* A330-343 (RR)
* Voyager KC2/KC3 (A330-243 RR)
* KC-30A (A330 MRTT) (A330-203 GE)

Solely, the KC2, KC3 and KC30A (A330 MRTT) are damage comapatiable by OPRF standards and are the most advanced aerial refueling tankers currently available in FG.

== Development Team ==
* FDM: Josh Davidson (Octal450)
* Systems: Josh Davidson (Octal450), Jonanthan Redpath (legoboyvdlp)
* Cockpit: Thorsten Herrmann (TH-555), Josh Davidson (Octal450), Jonanthan Redpath (legoboyvdlp)
* Instruments: Josh Davidson (Octal450), Jonanthan Redpath (legoboyvdlp)

== Aircraft help ==
{| class="keytable"
! Key !! Function
|-
| {{key press|1}}
| Show Captain's View
|-
| {{key press|2}}
| Show First Officer's View
|-
| {{key press|3}}
| Show Overhead View
|-
| {{key press|4}}
| Show Forward Pedestal View
|-
| {{key press|5}}
| Show Aft Pedestal View
|-
| {{key press|6}}
| Show FCU Panel View
|-
| {{key press|F1}}
| Disengage/Decrease Reverse Thrust
|-
| {{key press|F2}}
| Engage/Increase Reverse Thrust
|-
| {{key press|DEL}}
| Toggle Thrust Reversers
|-
| {{key press|E}}
| Set Idle Thrust
|-
| {{key press|F}}
| Set TOGA Thrust
|-
| {{key press|CTRL|B}}
| Cycle Spoilers
|-
| {{key press|Shift|B}}
| Toggle Parking Brake
|-
| {{key press|CTRL|D}}
| Disconnect Autothrottle
|-
| {{key press|Shift|D}}
| Disconnect Autopilot
|-
| {{key press|CTRL|F}}
| Set MCT/FLX Thrust
|-
| {{key press|Shift|F}}
| Set CL Thrust
|}

{{Airbus}}

[[Category:Airliners]]
[[Category:Red Griffin ATC compatible aircraft]]
[[Category:Octal450 hangar]]

User talk:SP-NTX/Documentation of FlightGear Wiki Data Altering 2026

2026-08-09T19:25:20Z

SP-NTX:

I'm a member of [[FlightGear China|FGPRC]], that's why I censor them. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 13:03, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Even if you were a member of Joseph Goebbels fanclub, had an portrait of Kim Jong Un above your bed, endorsed Joseph Stalin or Vladimir Lenin, had Mao Tse-tung's red book as a guide to life or feared the Tiananmen Square like hell, you shouldn't censor things on public worldwide FlightGear Wiki [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 19:25, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

User:SP-NTX/Documentation of FlightGear Wiki Data Altering 2026

2026-08-09T12:06:10Z

SP-NTX:

= SP-NTX's Documentation of FGWiki Data Pollution & Falsification =
Breakdown of AI-Enshittification and intentional falsification of our wiki based on available data.

== Accounts believed to be involved (as of 9th of August.) ==
{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Account
!Joined Wiki
!ΔChanges
!Articles modified
!Edits per active day
!Total number of edits
!ΔChanges/Edit
|-
|'''Fgf5'''
|1 April 2026
|–47,890
|132
|9.86
|365
|–131
|-
|Celesta
|14 May 2026
|–165,361
|191
|17.57
|404
|–409
|-
|Servo
|20 May 2026
|–796,384
|474
|31.76
|1175
|–678
|-
|Sierra
|30 July 2026
|–216
|8
|8.67
|52
|–4.15
|-
|AirplaneMode
|28 April 2026
|–439,944
|183
|11.64
|326
|–1,349
|-
|'''''In total'''''
|'''///'''
|'''−1,449,795'''
|'''998'''
|'''x̄=15.90'''
|'''2322'''
|'''−624.37'''
|}
'''Fgf5''' is believed to be the main account. More than 1.5 millions of bytes of data have removed, with a significant amount of data altered, changed and polluted

== Summary ==
Starting in April up until August, 5 accounts believed to be the same person have significantly modified the FlightGear Wiki content removing hundreds of thousands of bytes of valuable data, and modifying existing facts and information to make their appearance better. This process has been brought up to my attention by Jakkos98 on 8th of August 2026. I have brought this up on the mailing list. Between 8th and 9th of August I had an interesting interaction on FGWiki with person believed to be responsible for the data falsification and removal.

== Examples of data altering ==
[[File:Example of data removal.png|Terragear GUI pag|center|frameless|1313x1313px]]This is just one example. Other include:

* Removing valuable tips and information
* Editing facts to make them look better (yet fake) [For example "I wrote "require OpenGL 4.0", stating that OpenGL 2.0 is required would make the emulator{simulator} seem outdated" - Fgf5]
* Removing lists of authors
* Removing information important for developers
* Altering the data making the wiki untrustworthy
* Trying to hide data which didn't fit the user
* Modifying the reality

== Links between accounts and AI. ==
[[User:Fgf5|Fgf5]]' and [[User:Servo|Servo]]' wiki User page share the exact same style of AI generated images. We can conclude that Servo is an account linked to the user Fgf5

From "Servo" User page:<syntaxhighlight>
For how I clear old content on this wiki, see User:Celesta/removing old contents. For why I do this, see User:Servo/AI Agent.
</syntaxhighlight>Which links Celesta to Fgf5 and Servo

It is impossible to find a direct proof that AirplaneMode and Sierra are linked to the same person as Celesta, Servo and Fgf5, but based on the type of edits which are exactly the same, and these accounts editing the same pages/talk pages, I am confident that they also belong to the same person.

=== Servo/AI Agent ===
[[User:Servo/AI_Agent]]<syntaxhighlight>
Step 1: Revive the wiki (and make it easier for common AIs like ChatGPT and Gemini to search)

This step is nearly complete.
Step 2: export the wiki dump

This step has been done. See https://gitlab.com/flyer02/flightgear-wiki-backup/-/tree/main for the wiki dump.
Step 3: feed the dump to an AI agent

This will enable AI-assisted development for FlightGear.
Other efforts
There is a set of skills for FlightGear.
</syntaxhighlight>Now we can finally see the reason behind all this. All the changes made to the wiki are not because data is outdated, or irrelevant, but because it needs to be easier for AI to crawl through the data.

[[User:Celesta]]<syntaxhighlight>
I've finished removing many old Wiki contents that make it feel outdated/legacy for FlightGear.

See here for examples of the removal.
</syntaxhighlight>To sum up: The changes made are so that it is better for LLMs, not humans.

My take on that: '''This person in my opinion is responsible for FG Wiki outages and DoS. The exports and bulk edits are too heavy for API and server which results in the denial of service. AI Crawlers have on many occasions caused FGWiki DoS, and this person here is doing his best to make AI Crawlers go through wiki with more ease. Usage of PHP Scripts to dump the wiki on regular basis is a reason of Denial of Service.'''

'''While on mailing lists developers shared ideas how to prevent AI Crawlers from DoS-ing FGWiki, this person right here is literally inviting the massive flood of third party data crawlers.'''

"Sierra" wrote on my talk page:<syntaxhighlight>
I sincerely apologize for posting invitation links, but I believe we are now in the AI era, and integrating AI usage is necessary. If FG doesn't adopt AI, it will inevitably be overtaken by other open-source flight simulators.
</syntaxhighlight>I think there is nothing more to add from me. Likely you made your conclusions by now.

== Hipocrisy ==
https://wiki.flightgear.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Celesta/remove_old_contents&curid=24989&oldid=146950<syntaxhighlight>
This is not how it should be done. You remove valuable information while showing you completely don't understand FG things. SP-NTX (talk) 23:29, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I didn't edit the page automaticlly; the editing was done manually. I went through the page and revised something that was outdated as I came across it. Celesta (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I explicitly told you or one of your accounts to use only one account to make it easier to revert the damage before, why don't you do it?; Also if you did it by hand (removed 200 000 bytes of data from wiki) which was removal of valuable data you are either stupid or automated it and simply lying SP-NTX (talk) 23:45, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Show your proof, (the contribution log), please. The changes were actually manual. Celesta (talk)

No no I don't need to, in the comment before I said that you either did it automatically or you are stupid, up to you to choose, there is no third option I know SP-NTX (talk) 23:51, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I also have a backup and a fork of the wiki, so I can set up a new FG wiki on my own. Celesta (talk) 00:14, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

yeah go ahead pay for the hosting yourself and ddos your own fgwiki with your crawlers SP-NTX (talk) 00:16, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
</syntaxhighlight>Celesta is claiming that edits were done manually. Seems unlikely but I respect that. That, as I stated above, simply means that that person is just stupid.

The person responsible for this also claimed he couldn't have used scripts and all was done manually.

You know, under pressure people usually crack. Here is the best example I have seen in a long time.<syntaxhighlight>
01:30 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:29 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (your journey here is slowly coming to the end sadly) Tag: Undo
01:27 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:27 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (Even my best friend isn't as honest as you are) Tag: Undo
01:25 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (im using a bot (/w/api.php) to revert it) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:24 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (having fun?) Tag: Undo
01:24 (cur | prev) −2‎ Celesta talk contribs Tag: Manual revert
01:24 (cur | prev) +2‎ Celesta talk contribs (yes, you can, but in your sandbox)
01:23 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:23 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (can I record this?) Tag: Undo
01:22 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:22 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs Tag: Undo
01:21 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (ok) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:20 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (In a long time haven't I seen anyone self-incriminating himself as much as you do) Tag: Undo
m 01:19 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (no, I just don't want it on my turf.) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:18 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (Are you scared that people will see this? They will.) Tag: Undo
01:17 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (move them into your sandbox) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:16 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (DO NOT DELETE THE TALK PAGE!~) Tag: Undo
01:15 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:14 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (Undo revision 146994 by Celesta (talk)) Tag: Undo
01:13 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:06 (cur | prev) +145‎ SP-NTX talk contribs
01:03 (cur | prev) +121‎ Celesta talk contribs
01:02 (cur | prev) +1,828‎ SP-NTX talk contribs
01:01 (cur | prev) −1,521‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:00 (cur | prev) +1‎ Celesta talk contribs (If our dispute is resolved, it can be removed)
01:00 (cur | prev) +128‎ Celesta talk contribs
00:59 (cur | prev) +1,392‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (@Celesta DO NOT delete the talk page.) Tag: Undo
00:56 (cur | prev) −1,392‎ Celesta talk contribs (revert) Tag
</syntaxhighlight>You noticed it? First, Celesta claimed that he doesn't want this (the dispute) on his turf. Talking about Fgf5 talk page, so we have a direct link again between Celesta and Fgf5. But the best part started later.<syntaxhighlight>
im using a bot (/w/api.php) to revert it
</syntaxhighlight>Yeah... as everyone expected.

== SP-NTX v. Sierra+Celesta, 9th of August 2026. ==

=== "Howto:Create new landmark models" ===
I have noticed that the article talking about AI generation of scenery objects has been an advertisement of an AI 3D Model generation platform. Here is the content of the article https://wiki.flightgear.org/w/index.php?title=Howto:Create_new_landmark_models_with_AI_tools&oldid=146867

Seeing that I decided to remove the mention of AI tools and to correct the wrong information. About an hour later the article has been modified back to the previous version by "Sierra", which again looked like an advertisement of an AI Model generation platform. Over the span of next hours the article has been reverted back to the AI' one back, and in the end, I managed to correct it to remove any 3rd party AI platforms links and corrected it so people won't be willing to upload copyrighted textures and models to scenery db. The interaction can be seen here https://wiki.flightgear.org/w/index.php?title=Howto:Create_new_landmark_models_with_AI_tools&action=history, and I strongly encourage you to take a look at it.

=== "User talk:SP-NTX" ===
After the modifications I made to the article mentioned before, the user responsible for the AI advertisement, "Sierra", left a message on my talk page. <syntaxhighlight>
I sincerely apologize for posting invitation links, but I believe we are now in the AI era, and integrating AI usage is necessary. If FG doesn't adopt AI, it will inevitably be overtaken by other open-source flight simulators.

Actually, the page Howto:Create new landmark models is created by me.
</syntaxhighlight>I have to say that I laughed a lot reading the first statement, but the second one is even better. So now if I want to advertise my 3rd party platform I can just make a page and say it's /mine/?

I could have responded in only one way possible, well, sorry for that.<syntaxhighlight>

Ask me if I give a f*** SP-NTX (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
</syntaxhighlight>After that, the account "Sierra" deleted both his and mine message from mine Talk page, which I find concerning to say the least. I quickly reverted the deletion back to keep it there, but the user quickly removed it again!

I reverted it back and added something from me:<syntaxhighlight>
you posted it on a public website on my own discussion page and I will do whatever I want with it SP-NTX (talk) 22:56, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
</syntaxhighlight>To sum the dispute up, here is the change log of my Talk page:<syntaxhighlight>

curprev 22:58, 8 August 2026‎ SammySkycrafts talk contribs‎ m 1,131 bytes +486‎ →‎content about AI: Link to FG AI Statement undo

curprev 22:56, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ 645 bytes +605‎ Undo revision 146884 by Sierra (talk) undo

curprev 22:55, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ m 40 bytes −431‎ actually, I don't want it to be here pls undo Tags: Replaced Manual revert

curprev 22:53, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ 471 bytes +431‎ Undo revision 146882 by Sierra (talk) undo Tag: Undo

curprev 22:52, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ m 40 bytes −431‎ ok undo Tags: Replaced Manual revert

curprev 22:51, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ m 471 bytes +104‎ No edit summary undo

curprev 22:49, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ 367 bytes +75‎ →‎content about AI undo

curprev 22:38, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ 292 bytes +252‎ →‎content about AI: new section undo

</syntaxhighlight>To be continued

File:Example of data removal.png

2026-08-09T11:59:04Z

SP-NTX: Uploaded own work with UploadWizard

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User:SP-NTX/Documentation of FlightGear Wiki Data Altering 2026

2026-08-09T11:54:51Z

SP-NTX:

= SP-NTX's Documentation of FGWiki Data Pollution & Falsification =
Breakdown of AI-Enshittification and intentional falsification of our wiki based on available data.

== Accounts believed to be involved (as of 9th of August.) ==
{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Account
!Joined Wiki
!ΔChanges
!Articles modified
!Edits per active day
!Total number of edits
!ΔChanges/Edit
|-
|'''Fgf5'''
|1 April 2026
|–47,890
|132
|9.86
|365
|–131
|-
|Celesta
|14 May 2026
|–165,361
|191
|17.57
|404
|–409
|-
|Servo
|20 May 2026
|–796,384
|474
|31.76
|1175
|–678
|-
|Sierra
|30 July 2026
|–216
|8
|8.67
|52
|–4.15
|-
|AirplaneMode
|28 April 2026
|–439,944
|183
|11.64
|326
|–1,349
|-
|'''''In total'''''
|'''///'''
|'''−1,449,795'''
|'''998'''
|'''x̄=15.90'''
|'''2322'''
|'''−624.37'''
|}
'''Fgf5''' is believed to be the main account. More than 1.5 millions of bytes of data have removed, with a significant amount of data altered, changed and polluted

== Summary ==
Starting in April up until August, 5 accounts believed to be the same person have significantly modified the FlightGear Wiki content removing hundreds of thousands of bytes of valuable data, and modifying existing facts and information to make their appearance better. This process has been brought up to my attention by Jakkos98 on 8th of August 2026. I have brought this up on the mailing list. Between 8th and 9th of August I had an interesting interaction on FGWiki with person believed to be responsible for the data falsification and removal.

== Links between accounts and AI. ==
[[User:Fgf5|Fgf5]]' and [[User:Servo|Servo]]' wiki User page share the exact same style of AI generated images. We can conclude that Servo is an account linked to the user Fgf5

From "Servo" User page:<syntaxhighlight>
For how I clear old content on this wiki, see User:Celesta/removing old contents. For why I do this, see User:Servo/AI Agent.
</syntaxhighlight>Which links Celesta to Fgf5 and Servo

It is impossible to find a direct proof that AirplaneMode and Sierra are linked to the same person as Celesta, Servo and Fgf5, but based on the type of edits which are exactly the same, and these accounts editing the same pages/talk pages, I am confident that they also belong to the same person.

=== Servo/AI Agent ===
[[User:Servo/AI_Agent]]<syntaxhighlight>
Step 1: Revive the wiki (and make it easier for common AIs like ChatGPT and Gemini to search)

This step is nearly complete.
Step 2: export the wiki dump

This step has been done. See https://gitlab.com/flyer02/flightgear-wiki-backup/-/tree/main for the wiki dump.
Step 3: feed the dump to an AI agent

This will enable AI-assisted development for FlightGear.
Other efforts
There is a set of skills for FlightGear.
</syntaxhighlight>Now we can finally see the reason behind all this. All the changes made to the wiki are not because data is outdated, or irrelevant, but because it needs to be easier for AI to crawl through the data.

[[User:Celesta]]<syntaxhighlight>
I've finished removing many old Wiki contents that make it feel outdated/legacy for FlightGear.

See here for examples of the removal.
</syntaxhighlight>To sum up: The changes made are so that it is better for LLMs, not humans.

My take on that: '''This person in my opinion is responsible for FG Wiki outages and DoS. The exports and bulk edits are too heavy for API and server which results in the denial of service. AI Crawlers have on many occasions caused FGWiki DoS, and this person here is doing his best to make AI Crawlers go through wiki with more ease. Usage of PHP Scripts to dump the wiki on regular basis is a reason of Denial of Service.'''

'''While on mailing lists developers shared ideas how to prevent AI Crawlers from DoS-ing FGWiki, this person right here is literally inviting the massive flood of third party data crawlers.'''

"Sierra" wrote on my talk page:<syntaxhighlight>
I sincerely apologize for posting invitation links, but I believe we are now in the AI era, and integrating AI usage is necessary. If FG doesn't adopt AI, it will inevitably be overtaken by other open-source flight simulators.
</syntaxhighlight>I think there is nothing more to add from me. Likely you made your conclusions by now.

== Hipocrisy ==
https://wiki.flightgear.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Celesta/remove_old_contents&curid=24989&oldid=146950<syntaxhighlight>
This is not how it should be done. You remove valuable information while showing you completely don't understand FG things. SP-NTX (talk) 23:29, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I didn't edit the page automaticlly; the editing was done manually. I went through the page and revised something that was outdated as I came across it. Celesta (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I explicitly told you or one of your accounts to use only one account to make it easier to revert the damage before, why don't you do it?; Also if you did it by hand (removed 200 000 bytes of data from wiki) which was removal of valuable data you are either stupid or automated it and simply lying SP-NTX (talk) 23:45, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Show your proof, (the contribution log), please. The changes were actually manual. Celesta (talk)

No no I don't need to, in the comment before I said that you either did it automatically or you are stupid, up to you to choose, there is no third option I know SP-NTX (talk) 23:51, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I also have a backup and a fork of the wiki, so I can set up a new FG wiki on my own. Celesta (talk) 00:14, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

yeah go ahead pay for the hosting yourself and ddos your own fgwiki with your crawlers SP-NTX (talk) 00:16, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
</syntaxhighlight>Celesta is claiming that edits were done manually. Seems unlikely but I respect that. That, as I stated above, simply means that that person is just stupid.

The person responsible for this also claimed he couldn't have used scripts and all was done manually.

You know, under pressure people usually crack. Here is the best example I have seen in a long time.<syntaxhighlight>
01:30 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:29 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (your journey here is slowly coming to the end sadly) Tag: Undo
01:27 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:27 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (Even my best friend isn't as honest as you are) Tag: Undo
01:25 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (im using a bot (/w/api.php) to revert it) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:24 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (having fun?) Tag: Undo
01:24 (cur | prev) −2‎ Celesta talk contribs Tag: Manual revert
01:24 (cur | prev) +2‎ Celesta talk contribs (yes, you can, but in your sandbox)
01:23 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:23 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (can I record this?) Tag: Undo
01:22 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:22 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs Tag: Undo
01:21 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (ok) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:20 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (In a long time haven't I seen anyone self-incriminating himself as much as you do) Tag: Undo
m 01:19 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (no, I just don't want it on my turf.) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:18 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (Are you scared that people will see this? They will.) Tag: Undo
01:17 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (move them into your sandbox) Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:16 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (DO NOT DELETE THE TALK PAGE!~) Tag: Undo
01:15 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:14 (cur | prev) +2,094‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (Undo revision 146994 by Celesta (talk)) Tag: Undo
01:13 (cur | prev) −2,094‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:06 (cur | prev) +145‎ SP-NTX talk contribs
01:03 (cur | prev) +121‎ Celesta talk contribs
01:02 (cur | prev) +1,828‎ SP-NTX talk contribs
01:01 (cur | prev) −1,521‎ Celesta talk contribs (Replaced content with "{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}} -- New user message (talk) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)") Tags: Replaced Manual revert
01:00 (cur | prev) +1‎ Celesta talk contribs (If our dispute is resolved, it can be removed)
01:00 (cur | prev) +128‎ Celesta talk contribs
00:59 (cur | prev) +1,392‎ SP-NTX talk contribs (@Celesta DO NOT delete the talk page.) Tag: Undo
00:56 (cur | prev) −1,392‎ Celesta talk contribs (revert) Tag
</syntaxhighlight>You noticed it? First, Celesta claimed that he doesn't want this (the dispute) on his turf. Talking about Fgf5 talk page, so we have a direct link again between Celesta and Fgf5. But the best part started later.<syntaxhighlight>
im using a bot (/w/api.php) to revert it
</syntaxhighlight>Yeah... as everyone expected.

== SP-NTX v. Sierra+Celesta, 9th of August 2026. ==

=== "Howto:Create new landmark models" ===
I have noticed that the article talking about AI generation of scenery objects has been an advertisement of an AI 3D Model generation platform. Here is the content of the article https://wiki.flightgear.org/w/index.php?title=Howto:Create_new_landmark_models_with_AI_tools&oldid=146867

Seeing that I decided to remove the mention of AI tools and to correct the wrong information. About an hour later the article has been modified back to the previous version by "Sierra", which again looked like an advertisement of an AI Model generation platform. Over the span of next hours the article has been reverted back to the AI' one back, and in the end, I managed to correct it to remove any 3rd party AI platforms links and corrected it so people won't be willing to upload copyrighted textures and models to scenery db. The interaction can be seen here https://wiki.flightgear.org/w/index.php?title=Howto:Create_new_landmark_models_with_AI_tools&action=history, and I strongly encourage you to take a look at it.

=== "User talk:SP-NTX" ===
After the modifications I made to the article mentioned before, the user responsible for the AI advertisement, "Sierra", left a message on my talk page. <syntaxhighlight>
I sincerely apologize for posting invitation links, but I believe we are now in the AI era, and integrating AI usage is necessary. If FG doesn't adopt AI, it will inevitably be overtaken by other open-source flight simulators.

Actually, the page Howto:Create new landmark models is created by me.
</syntaxhighlight>I have to say that I laughed a lot reading the first statement, but the second one is even better. So now if I want to advertise my 3rd party platform I can just make a page and say it's /mine/?

I could have responded in only one way possible, well, sorry for that.<syntaxhighlight>

Ask me if I give a f*** SP-NTX (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
</syntaxhighlight>After that, the account "Sierra" deleted both his and mine message from mine Talk page, which I find concerning to say the least. I quickly reverted the deletion back to keep it there, but the user quickly removed it again!

I reverted it back and added something from me:<syntaxhighlight>
you posted it on a public website on my own discussion page and I will do whatever I want with it SP-NTX (talk) 22:56, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
</syntaxhighlight>To sum the dispute up, here is the change log of my Talk page:<syntaxhighlight>

curprev 22:58, 8 August 2026‎ SammySkycrafts talk contribs‎ m 1,131 bytes +486‎ →‎content about AI: Link to FG AI Statement undo

curprev 22:56, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ 645 bytes +605‎ Undo revision 146884 by Sierra (talk) undo

curprev 22:55, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ m 40 bytes −431‎ actually, I don't want it to be here pls undo Tags: Replaced Manual revert

curprev 22:53, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ 471 bytes +431‎ Undo revision 146882 by Sierra (talk) undo Tag: Undo

curprev 22:52, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ m 40 bytes −431‎ ok undo Tags: Replaced Manual revert

curprev 22:51, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ m 471 bytes +104‎ No edit summary undo

curprev 22:49, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ 367 bytes +75‎ →‎content about AI undo

curprev 22:38, 8 August 2026‎ Sierra talk contribs‎ 292 bytes +252‎ →‎content about AI: new section undo

</syntaxhighlight>To be continued

User:SP-NTX/Documentation of FlightGear Wiki Data Altering 2026

2026-08-09T11:42:04Z

SP-NTX:

User:SP-NTX/Documentation of FlightGear Wiki Data Altering 2026

2026-08-09T09:38:25Z

SP-NTX:

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:29:05Z

SP-NTX: your journey here is slowly coming to the end sadly

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Fgf5}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 06:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Please use only one account. I know you have at least 4 of them but it will be easier to revert damage when you do it with one. Thank you [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:31, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

And now you deleted the message above from different account of your own? Really? [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:35, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

curprev 00:22, 9 August 2026‎ Celesta talk contribs‎ 163 bytes −217‎ revert undo Tag: Manual revert

8 August 2026

curprev 23:31, 8 August 2026‎ SP-NTX talk contribs‎ 380 bytes +217‎ No edit summary undo

1 April 2026

curprev 06:13, 1 April 2026‎ New user message talk contribs‎ m 163 bytes +163‎ Adding welcome message to new user's talk page

Yes, I have multiple accounts. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:36, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

But I REALLY don't edit this wiki automatically. I'm unable to do it.

So I request you to use only one as it will be easier to revert the damage. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:38, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Also as I stated on your talk page, people who deleted information and data they didn't like weren't usually the good people. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:38, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Okay. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

If our dispute is resolved, it can be removed. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 01:00, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

I disagree. I want this kept public here with easy access for everyone so everyone can make his/her own conclusion. Thanks [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

And you removed it again. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Actually I think keeping it here will only escalate the conflict. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]])

No it won't. Moderation has been noticed, so it will be resolved. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 01:06, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:27:34Z

SP-NTX: Even my best friend isn't as honest as you are

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:24:43Z

SP-NTX: having fun?

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:23:17Z

SP-NTX: can I record this?

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:22:08Z

SP-NTX:

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:20:27Z

SP-NTX: In a long time haven't I seen anyone self-incriminating himself as much as you do

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:18:22Z

SP-NTX: Are you scared that people will see this? They will.

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:16:12Z

SP-NTX: DO NOT DELETE THE TALK PAGE!~

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:14:05Z

SP-NTX: Undo revision 146994 by Celesta (talk)

User:SP-NTX/Documentation of FlightGear Wiki Data Altering 2026

2026-08-09T01:10:13Z

SP-NTX: Created page with "<wip>"

<wip>

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:06:11Z

SP-NTX:

User talk:Celesta/removing old contents

2026-08-09T01:05:28Z

SP-NTX: SP-NTX moved page User talk:Celesta/removing old contents to User talk:Celesta/Usage AI for wiki data altering and falsification: Better suiting title

User:Celesta/removing old contents

2026-08-09T01:05:28Z

SP-NTX: SP-NTX moved page User:Celesta/removing old contents to User:Celesta/Usage AI for wiki data altering and falsification: Better suiting title

This page explains how I remove old content on this wiki.

=== Content ===
* "FlightGear requires OpenGL 2.0" '''=>''' "FlightGear requires OpenGL 4.0 and later"
* "FGRun" '''=>''' "Qt launcher/launcher" (or remove it)
* "<a part of sourceforge links>" '''=>''' "<gitlab link if exists>", and "IRC" '''=>''' "Discord"

'''Versions'''

* "As of 2018.1, the feature ..." '''=>''' "As of 2018.1 and later, the feature ..." (more precise)
* "For FlightGear 2018.1 ..." '''=>''' "Since FlightGear 2018.1, ..."
* "As of 3.0 and later, the new feature ..." '''=>''' "The feature ..." (remove the version reference entirely if the version (3.0) is too old)

=== Article format ===
* Move outdated status sections like "<nowiki>== Status == The feature was developed in 2016</nowiki>" to a "History" section, or remove them.
* If the page is not about development (e.g., Nasal, Qt launcher), place background/history/feature request sections or outdated status sections at the bottom of the page. If the page is about development itself (e.g., Improving Nasal, Future of the Qt Launcher), you don't need to move these sections.
* Remove links of outdated or obsolete pages from the "related contents" section (or navigation bars).
* Reduce the number of quotes if there are too many.
* Remove first-person pronouns, such as "I".

[[Category:Wiki maintenance]]

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T01:02:39Z

SP-NTX:

User talk:Celesta

2026-08-09T01:00:33Z

SP-NTX: /* Archive */ new section

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== Archive ==

Hi, just FYI, I archived everything and will publish it on my page soon. Thank you [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 01:00, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people

SP-NTX (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

I don't completely censor them. They can be found in the edit history. Celesta (talk) 00:25, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Why do you do it then? To make it harder to access?

Yes, unregistered users cannot see it, and it won't show up on Google either.Celesta (talk)

I don't understand your statement whatsoever. Okay now after you edited it I understand So you actually want to restrict access to what we discussed because you fear others will see it? History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people.

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T00:59:11Z

SP-NTX: @Celesta DO NOT delete the talk page.

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T00:38:50Z

SP-NTX:

User talk:Fgf5

2026-08-09T00:35:32Z

SP-NTX: Undo revision 146949 by Celesta (talk)

User talk:Celesta

2026-08-09T00:31:20Z

SP-NTX:

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:24, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
: I don't completely censor them. They can be found in the edit history. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:25, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
Why do you do it then? To make it harder to access?
: Yes, unregistered users cannot see it, and it won't show up on Google either.[[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]])
I don't understand your statement whatsoever.
Okay now after you edited it I understand
So you actually want to restrict access to what we discussed because you fear others will see it? History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people.

User talk:Celesta

2026-08-09T00:29:01Z

SP-NTX:

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:24, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
: I don't completely censor them. They can be found in the edit history. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:25, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
Why do you do it then? To make it harder to access?
: Yes, unregistered users cannot be found through Google search either.[[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]])
I don't understand your statement whatsoever.

User talk:Celesta

2026-08-09T00:27:06Z

SP-NTX:

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:24, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
: I don't completely censor them. They can be found in the edit history. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:25, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
Why do you do it then? To make it harder to access?

User talk:Celesta

2026-08-09T00:24:30Z

SP-NTX: /* History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people */ new section

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== History teaches us that the ones who censored and removed info/data they didn't like were never the good people ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:24, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

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SP-NTX: cleaned up what was broken

This is not how it should be done. You remove valuable information while showing you completely don't understand FG things. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:29, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: I didn't edit the page automaticlly; the editing was done manually. I went through the page and revised something that was outdated as I came across it. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 23:42, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
I explicitly told you or one of your accounts to use only one account to make it easier to revert the damage before, why don't you do it?; Also if you did it by hand (removed 200 000 bytes of data from wiki) which was removal of valuable data you are either stupid or automated it and simply lying [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:45, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: Show your proof, (the contribution log), please. The changes were actually manual. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]])
No no I don't need to, in the comment before I said that you either did it automatically or you are stupid, up to you to choose, there is no third option I know [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:51, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: I also have a backup and a fork of the wiki, so I can set up a new FG wiki on my own. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:14, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
yeah go ahead pay for the hosting yourself and ddos your own fgwiki with your crawlers [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:16, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

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i dont know how to delete this if anyone can do it then please go ahead

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This is not how it should be done. You remove valuable information while showing you completely don't understand FG things. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:29, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: I didn't edit the page automaticlly; the editing was done manually. I went through the page and revised something that was outdated as I came across it. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 23:42, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
I explicitly told you or one of your accounts to use only one account to make it easier to revert the damage before, why don't you do it?; Also if you did it by hand (removed 200 000 bytes of data from wiki) which was removal of valuable data you are either stupid or automated it and simply lying [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:45, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: Show your proof, (the contribution log), please. The changes were actually manual. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]])
No no I don't need to, in the comment before I said that you either did it automatically or you are stupid, up to you to choose, there is no third option I know [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 23:51, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

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User talk:Celesta

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{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== For what reason you created so much redirects- ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:01, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
: The reason is to remove the page containing insults.
Actually, I wanted to contribute to this wiki, but the community didn't give me any feedback on my edits back then. Moreover, the content I removed was indeed outdated and can still be found in the edit history.

Is this community really so non-inclusive? [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:02, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

My friend, I am more than happy that you want to contribute to the wiki. But why the contributions from so many accounts, why AI changes, and for what the hell reason do you remove data?
Also insults? I guess all I said was true. wiki falsification is what it really is, not cleanup. [[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:05, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Celesta

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SP-NTX:

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== For what reason you created so much redirects- ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:01, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
: The reason is to remove the page containing insults.
Actually, I wanted to contribute to this wiki, but the community didn't give me any feedback on my edits back then. Moreover, the content I removed was indeed outdated and can still be found in the edit history.

Is this community really so non-inclusive? [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 00:02, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

My friend, I am more than happy that you want to contribute to the wiki. But why the contributions from so many accounts, why AI changes, and for what the hell reason do you remove data?
Also insults? I guess all I said was true. wiki falsification is what it really is, not cleanup.

User talk:Celesta

2026-08-09T00:01:51Z

SP-NTX:

{{Template:Welcome to the wiki|realName=|name=Celesta}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 21:42, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Tłumaczenie Pl/Nowy we FlightGear ==

Mam kilka uwag do Twojego tłumaczenia Pl/Nowy we FlightGear:

1. Odmiana nazw własnych: w języku polskim zagraniczne nazwy oprogramowania podlegają normalnej odmianie. Tak jak mówimy „uruchamianie Facebooka” czy "wyszukiwanie w Google'u", analogicznie poprawną formą jest np. „uruchamianie FlightGeara”.

2. Wymowa i przyimek: piszemy "We FlightGear", a nie "W FlightGear". Zastosowanie ma tu ta sama zasada fonetyczna co w przypadku słów "we Francji", "we Wrocławiu" czy "we flocie" (wokalizacja przyimka ułatwiająca wymowę).

3. Linki wewnętrzne: zauważyłem, że zmieniłeś/aś polskie linki na angielskie. Uważam za zasadę, że polskie Wiki jest linkowanie do polskich wersji artykułów, aby utrzymać czytelnika w tym samym środowisku językowym. Jeśli danej strony jeszcze nie ma po polsku, to wtedy używamy angielskiej.

4. Nazewnictwo Launchera: zamiast rozwlekłych opisów typu "program uruchomieniowy QT FlightGear", konsekwentnie stosuję po prostu "Launcher". Zdaję sobie sprawę, że to zapożyczenie, ale chciałem jednej prostej nazwy zamiast pisać rozwlekłe opisy utrudniające czytelność oraz stosuję ją wszędzie, np. w podręczniku i tutaj na wiki.

Poprawiłem już to, ale proszę o trzymanie się tych zasad na przyszłość, bo przysparzasz mi pracy :)

-- [[User:PlayeRom|PlayeRom]]

:Thank you for your efforts. I used an AI translator for this.

:Dziękuję za Twoją pracę. Użyłem AI do tłumaczenia. [[User:Celesta|Celesta]] ([[User talk:Celesta|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== For what reason you created so much redirects- ==

[[User:SP-NTX|SP-NTX]] ([[User talk:SP-NTX|talk]]) 00:01, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

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