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Welcome to the '''Village Pump'''. This page is used to discuss the technical issues, operations and guidelines of the [[FlightGear wiki]].
 
Welcome to the '''Village Pump'''. This page is used to discuss the technical issues, operations and guidelines of the [[FlightGear wiki]].
  
: Please [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=new}} add new topics] to the '''bottom''' of this page.
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Please <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=new}} add new topics]</span> to the '''bottom''' of this page.
  
: Old discussion should be moved to a [[FlightGear wiki:Village pump/Archive YEAR]]. These discussions can then be moved to a relevant talk page if appropriate.
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Old discussions should be moved to a [[FlightGear wiki:Village pump/Archive YEAR]]. These discussions can then be moved to a relevant talk page if appropriate.
  
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== MediaWiki updated to 1.35.1 ==
 
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Hi all,
== Navigation links added to FlightGear Newsletter header ==
 
 
 
As per [http://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=25104 request by Michat on the forum] I have now managed to add navigation links to the FlightGear Newsletter header, {{tl|Newsletter-header}}, pointing to the previous and next months newsletter.
 
  
So far I have only added it to the latest header though.
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We've just updated MediaWiki (our wiki software) to version 1.35.1. The update comes with a couple of nice new features, such as [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor a visual editor] that considerably lowers the entry barrier (no need to learn wiki markup!). We've also fixed the issue that prevented users from [[FlightGear_wiki:Village_pump/Archive_2020#UTF-8_language_pages_cannot_be_edited_.28cont._from_2015.29|editing certain non-Latin articles]] and enabled TLS so your connection is now secured with HTTPS.
  
Happy browsing! :-)
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Although we've tested the update, chances are that we've missed certain scenarios. Please let me know if something isn't working as expected.
  
—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 19:48, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers,
  
== MediaWiki updated to 1.24.1 ==
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[[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 16:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
  
I've updated MediaWiki to the latest stable release (1.24.1) today. There is a small issue with some of the extensions not displaying icons, so some of them have been disabled for the moment. I hope to have them re-enabled later today. Please report bugs if you find any. For a list of changes, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.24
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PS: Now that we're back in sync, you may expect more frequent updates again.
  
[[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 12:00, 1 February 2015 (EST)
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: The only issues I have noted so far is that
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:* It seems the visual editor, when editing discussion pages, can only be used when adding a new topic, but not when editing an existing one.
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:* Section editing is off by default (though I think it might have been previously as well).
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: —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 15:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
  
: It seems that Nasal syntax highlighting via Geshi is no longer working (I think it was Philosopher who came up with the module...)?
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:: Hi Johan,
: --[[User:Hooray|Hooray]] ([[User talk:Hooray|talk]]) 15:58, 1 February 2015 (EST)
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::* I believe that's the way they've designed it (it also works like that on Wikipedia), but I'll see if that can be changed.
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::* What do you mean with "section editing"? I can see <code>[ edit | edit source ]</code> links at each section title?
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:: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 15:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
  
:: Ah, didn't move that one over. Should be fixed now.
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::: Section editing was off by default for me after the update (at least when looking in the preferences; I did open the preferences before I went through any articles).
:: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 16:19, 1 February 2015 (EST)
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::: —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 10:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
  
::: Confirmed fixed.  Thank you for the quick fix:-D
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: Thank you very much!  The 6 year old UTF-8 bug is finally gone!!  Everything else is looking good to meNo strange Scribuntu/lua errors from the infoboxes, SyntaxHighlight works, collapsible boxes work.  Great job!
::: —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 16:49, 1 February 2015 (EST)
 
  
== Support SVG file ==
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: I did get one error: "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server: http-bad-status" when trying to edit.  This was triggered by switching from the visual editor to the source editor using the menu bar that appears in the visual editor.  But I fixed this by turning off the visual editor in my preferences.
  
Is there some securty issues/software limitations (no plugin's installed) why the wiki don't support uploads of SVG images?
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: [[User:Bugman|Bugman]] ([[User talk:Bugman|talk]]) 21:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  
[[User:Www2|Www2]] ([[User talk:Www2|talk]]) 21:02, 4 February 2015 (EST)
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:: Hm, I cannot reproduce that here. Did it happen at a specific page? Can you try to reproduce it and provide a recipe?
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::[[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 10:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  
== If you find missing images ==
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: Oh, just one thing if this is possible, can we have a [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFavicon favicon] set like the forum and the [https://flightgear.org main website]?
  
In case you find missing images have a look at this page: [[FlightGear wiki:Missing images]].
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: [[User:Bugman|Bugman]] ([[User talk:Bugman|talk]]) 21:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  
—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 23:51, 7 February 2015 (EST)
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:: Good one, done!
 
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:: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 10:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
== Additional Portals ==
 
Given the recent interest in doing embedded development related to FlightGear (Arduino/Rasberry PI), I was thinking that we might want to introduce dedicated portals for such use-cases,  to keep things neatly organized, but also to provide a place to grow this further - e.g. depending on how this goes, we could have portals covering:  
 
* Embedded/Hardware (including cockpit building)
 
* UAVs
 
 
 
Equally, we may want to provide sub-forums for these two topics, which should help clean up the offtopic/development forum, too. Currently, the SUPPORT/HARDWARE forum is being used for many of these topics, even though that was originally intended for joysticks/yokes and pedals related stuff - not custom hardware, which would fit better under DEVELOPMENT in my opinon.
 
 
 
As far as I can tell there are roughly 10-15 contributors actively exploring embedded development including UAV stuff - so I guess it would be a good idea for the project (i.e. the forum and the wiki) to provide some structure to "house" such efforts.
 
 
 
thoughts/ideas ?
 
--[[User:Hooray|Hooray]] ([[User talk:Hooray|talk]]) 06:17, 10 February 2015 (EST)
 
 
 
== Wiki extensions observations ==
 
 
 
Hi all,
 
  
Recently I was looking at the [[Special:Version#Installed extensions|installed extensions]], and noticed the below:
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== Parameter listings in template documentation ==
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I noted that the skeleton examples with all parameters have been removed in some cases.
  
; [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SmoothGallery SmoothGallery]
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I very much prefer to still having a copyable skeleton template (with prefilled month, year, and/or date when those parameters exist) before the listing of parameters, rather than having to copy a fully filled out filled out example and remove everything I do not need or have to change. It feels very unnecessary.
: It appears that it doesn't work anymore on this wiki.  For instance, the below code …
 
<nowiki><sgallery>
 
Glass01.jpg
 
Glass07.jpg
 
Glass11.jpg
 
</sgallery></nowiki>
 
: … causes the following error:
 
  
: Notice: Undefined variable: args in /home/wiki/wiki/extensions/SmoothGallery/SmoothGallery.php on line 113 Fatal error: Call to undefined method LocalFile::getThumbnail() in /home/wiki/wiki/extensions/SmoothGallery/SmoothGalleryParser.php on line 208
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On the other hand I do like the template data stuff very much, even though it is few extra steps.
  
: This could be related to extension's [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SmoothGallery#Fixing_bugs bugs].
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—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 11:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
  
: I suggest this extension be removed because
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: Hi Johan,
# As far as I know, it's not used on any of the wiki's pages.
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: I'm not sure if you know this, but you can now add templates through the VisualEditor. If you press "Insert > Template" from the toolbar, you get a nice popup to help you fill in the template and it can also pre-fill stuff for you (e.g., the date in [[:Template:Delete]]). The templatedata stuff on the template page is used to expand this popup form and drive the auto-fill, so most templates will not yet leverage it to the fullest. You can add/edit templatedata by clicking the "Manage TemplateData" button at the top of the edit page of templates. See the documentation at {{mediawiki|Help:TemplateData}} (that page is unfortunately quite messy, I know) and {{mediawiki|Extension:TemplateData}}.  
# Is it needed?
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: I feel like we should encourage people as much as possible to use the VisualEditor, as it can help prevent mistakes or incomplete templates. Would this remove the need to have copy & pastable templates? Maybe we'll just have to try and see. There's lots of new stuff to discover and tweak :-)
# Its ''unstable'' as of 22 March, 2015, which means it's broken and shouldn't be used ([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_status link]).
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: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 10:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
  
; [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo EmbedVideo]
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== Removing the "Goal" heading from template documentation ==
: According to the [http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:EmbedVideo&oldid=1447164 page revision as of 16 March 2015], there were XSS flaws in version 2.2.4 and earlier of the extension.  It should probably be updated to the latest revision.
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As we will likely go through and edit most of the template documentation to replace the current documentation of template parameters with template data, I would like to also remove the ''Goal'' heading from the template documentation and move that up to being a regular lead section.
  
[[User:Red_Leader|<span style="color:red">'''''Red Leader'''''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Red_Leader|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Red_Leader|contribs]]) 14:08, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
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I feel that the heading is largely redundant and have previously stuck to it mostly for consistency.
  
: Both are done. Thanks for reporting!
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[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 11:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 17:21, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
 
  
== Boeing 777 Cleanup ==
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: Agree!
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: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 10:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
  
Just wrapping up cleaning up Boeing 777 articles that I discussed a full year ago. All now redirect centrally to that page. This makes for a lot less segregated wiki. Looking at it, it would appear that very little happens on the individual pages and the content on their is relatively insignificant. The stuff that is needed I copied over to the main page. Will try to add some pictures as well.
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== Basic question sub page/sandbox ==
  
If anybody has any objections, speak up :)
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Hi,
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New to the wiki here and hoping to contribute in some small way. I don't see any instructions (or menu options) on how to crate a sub page or sandbox in order to start drafting an article. I'll also aim to update the wiki on how to crate a sub page as it might help others with the same question.
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Many thanks
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[[User:Volador|Volador]] ([[User talk:Volador|talk]]) 08:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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Welcome to the Village Pump. This page is used to discuss the technical issues, operations and guidelines of the FlightGear wiki.

Please add new topics to the bottom of this page.

Old discussions should be moved to a FlightGear wiki:Village pump/Archive YEAR. These discussions can then be moved to a relevant talk page if appropriate.

MediaWiki updated to 1.35.1

Hi all,

We've just updated MediaWiki (our wiki software) to version 1.35.1. The update comes with a couple of nice new features, such as a visual editor that considerably lowers the entry barrier (no need to learn wiki markup!). We've also fixed the issue that prevented users from editing certain non-Latin articles and enabled TLS so your connection is now secured with HTTPS.

Although we've tested the update, chances are that we've missed certain scenarios. Please let me know if something isn't working as expected.

Cheers,

Gijs (talk) 16:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

PS: Now that we're back in sync, you may expect more frequent updates again.

The only issues I have noted so far is that
  • It seems the visual editor, when editing discussion pages, can only be used when adding a new topic, but not when editing an existing one.
  • Section editing is off by default (though I think it might have been previously as well).
Johan G (Talk | contribs) 15:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi Johan,
  • I believe that's the way they've designed it (it also works like that on Wikipedia), but I'll see if that can be changed.
  • What do you mean with "section editing"? I can see [ edit | edit source ] links at each section title?
Gijs (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Section editing was off by default for me after the update (at least when looking in the preferences; I did open the preferences before I went through any articles).
Johan G (Talk | contribs) 10:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much! The 6 year old UTF-8 bug is finally gone!! Everything else is looking good to me. No strange Scribuntu/lua errors from the infoboxes, SyntaxHighlight works, collapsible boxes work. Great job!
I did get one error: "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server: http-bad-status" when trying to edit. This was triggered by switching from the visual editor to the source editor using the menu bar that appears in the visual editor. But I fixed this by turning off the visual editor in my preferences.
Bugman (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Hm, I cannot reproduce that here. Did it happen at a specific page? Can you try to reproduce it and provide a recipe?
Gijs (talk) 10:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh, just one thing if this is possible, can we have a favicon set like the forum and the main website?
Bugman (talk) 21:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Good one, done!
Gijs (talk) 10:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Parameter listings in template documentation

I noted that the skeleton examples with all parameters have been removed in some cases.

I very much prefer to still having a copyable skeleton template (with prefilled month, year, and/or date when those parameters exist) before the listing of parameters, rather than having to copy a fully filled out filled out example and remove everything I do not need or have to change. It feels very unnecessary.

On the other hand I do like the template data stuff very much, even though it is few extra steps.

Johan G (Talk | contribs) 11:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Johan,
I'm not sure if you know this, but you can now add templates through the VisualEditor. If you press "Insert > Template" from the toolbar, you get a nice popup to help you fill in the template and it can also pre-fill stuff for you (e.g., the date in Template:Delete). The templatedata stuff on the template page is used to expand this popup form and drive the auto-fill, so most templates will not yet leverage it to the fullest. You can add/edit templatedata by clicking the "Manage TemplateData" button at the top of the edit page of templates. See the documentation at mw:Help:TemplateData (that page is unfortunately quite messy, I know) and mw:Extension:TemplateData.
I feel like we should encourage people as much as possible to use the VisualEditor, as it can help prevent mistakes or incomplete templates. Would this remove the need to have copy & pastable templates? Maybe we'll just have to try and see. There's lots of new stuff to discover and tweak :-)
Gijs (talk) 10:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Removing the "Goal" heading from template documentation

As we will likely go through and edit most of the template documentation to replace the current documentation of template parameters with template data, I would like to also remove the Goal heading from the template documentation and move that up to being a regular lead section.

I feel that the heading is largely redundant and have previously stuck to it mostly for consistency.

Johan G (Talk | contribs) 11:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree!
Gijs (talk) 10:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Basic question sub page/sandbox

Hi, New to the wiki here and hoping to contribute in some small way. I don't see any instructions (or menu options) on how to crate a sub page or sandbox in order to start drafting an article. I'll also aim to update the wiki on how to crate a sub page as it might help others with the same question. Many thanks Volador (talk) 08:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)