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== Idea: Suggested flights with stars ==
=="Talk:Eurocopter EC135" (Author request: Author blanked page)==


How 'bout this idea... Make a star rating system thingy for [[Suggested Flights]]? A template with 0 to 5 stars we could add to a flight so that users can rate the flight.
Did I miss something? Can't remember seen that...
I dunno how to make it else I would... :)
Can you tell what it was about?
[[User:PH-JBO|PH-JBO]] 19:38, 22 December 2011 (EST)
Cheers --[[User:HHS|HHS]] 12:24, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
: We could use the rating system that is used for aircraft/airports, but that'll  require each flight to be on a special page; which is quite a hassle IMO. Don't know of any other option right now...
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 16:24, 23 December 2011 (EST)


== Renaming newly categorised files ==
: Hi,
: F-JJTH wrote " Heiko, is V1.0 full "Rembrandt compatible" ?" on the page but blanked it shortly thereafter. I think he found the answer already... So all I did was delete that blank page.
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 16:08, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


I saw in [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] that you have renamed many of the files that I have categorised, and I just want to say: {{thumbs up|13}} Thank you! --[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] 15:15, 14 February 2012 (EST)
==About the wiki..==
: Not intentionally only files that you categorised (apparently you categorised ALL file :P), but files that had the basic fgfs-screen names, which is very very bad...
Hi Gijs, hope all is well. I was stopping by because I noticed the words "Please post only encyclopedic information that can be verified by external sources. Please maintain a neutral, unbiased point of view. " in the editor. Its really not right to say this, because the FlightGear wiki has to be a "primary source". The contributions are typically original writing, and it specifically includes opinions (such as reviews), as well as first-hand accounts. Thank you. [[User:Fg|Fg]] 20:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
: I'd like to thank you for all the hard work you're doing on the wiki these days. Good to see some more activity!
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 15:17, 14 February 2012 (EST)
:: I didn't really categorise ''all'' files (there's still about 1400 to go...), but thank you anyway. ;-) —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 18:07, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


== Template documentation ==


Just a heads up.
The wiki is mostly a primary source, saying "Please post only encyclopedic information that can be verified by external sources. .. " makes no sense. Most of what is written here is orginal content, and it does not make sense to have this in the edit box. Also, I don't agree with many of the articles you have deleted. These are small issues in view of your large contributions to the project, and I want to thank you for those, but I must also bring up these issues. Thanks again. [[User:Fg|Fg]] ([[User talk:Fg|talk]]) 20:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 
: Hi,
While having a bit less presence in the FlightGear community (probably a bit of recoil from straining myself, but also due to real life) for a while I drop in now and then for a peek on the Wiki.
: You're right about the "external sources" statement. That was just a default from MediaWiki but is not very applicable to our wiki. I've removed it now. Thanks for notifying me!
 
: What is it that you don't agree with? Is it the airport articles? Those were not deleted yet, they were only marked for deletion. The notice mentioned why I think they should be deleted. Feel free to share your arguments that make you think they should be kept. As the template stated "Do not remove this tag until the discussion is closed.", so I've placed the templates back and am looking forward to your (argued) opinion.
Recently I noticed that one of my sup-pages ([http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php?title=User:Johan_G/Wiki_improvement&oldid=40953 User:Johan G/Wiki improvement]) was a bit different, but noticed I'm the only one editing there. Checking the used templates gave the explanation. Specifically the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php?title=Template:Tl&diff=42423&oldid=40924 tl]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> template. ;-)
: Cheers,
 
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 17:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::Great, thanks for fixing that! Come to think of it "Please maintain a neutral, unbiased point of view." may also be unneeded, as we have sections for reviews (with opinions) of aircraft, etc. but I will leave that up to you. I will check out the articles for deletion again. Thank you. [[User:Fg|Fg]] ([[User talk:Fg|talk]]) 22:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
When you add the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Informative template|informative template]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, make sure you leave the <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> tag where it was.  If you add empty lines and/or spaces, those will be added each time the the template is used with unwanted results. Remember that a space in the beginning of a line will put that remaining text on that line in a "code box". ;-)
 
 
''In this specific case the previous edit looked like this,''
 
<nowiki>{{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}}<noinclude></nowiki>
...
 
''while the new edit looked like this (spaces represented by underscores),''
 
<nowiki>{{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}}_</nowiki>
_
<nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>
...
 
''The result is that''
The template <nowiki>{{</nowiki>informative template<nowiki>}}</nowiki> is a template documenting templates.
 
''instead of being rendered like this,''
 
The template <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Informative template|informative template]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> is a template documenting templates.
 
''got rendered like this:''


The template <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Informative template|informative template]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
== Adding the village pump to the sidebar or not ==
is a template documenting templates


I have been pondering adding the village pump to the sidebar.  I would probably add it between Recent changes and Random page.  I have read in a bit on the sidebar on the MediaWiki help pages, but before I actually do it I want to ask you about your opinion about doing that.


Otherwise I see that you are doing a wonderful job.{{thumbs up}}  Just don't strain yourself, will you. :-)
The biggest pros and cons as I see it is that anyone will find it so it will be used a bit more, but at the same time that those that will not even read a few sentences of text (including people not comfortably reading English) sometimes will go there for help on using the simulator itself instead of going to the forum.


—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 18:49, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
So what do you think about it?


== Unsigned template + Archive pages ==
—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 09:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 
I had been thinking of moving {{tl|unsigned2}} to {{tl|unsigned}} for a while, but not done it.  Good idea to keep the redirection page.
 
On a totally different matter, when you get to the point when you consider your talk page is to long I hope that you do not delete parts of it, but instead move it to a archive in the form of a subpage, in case you or someone else want to have a look on it in the future.
 
—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 07:03, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
 
==Deleting of a user page?==
Hi Gijs, erm, I see you deleted my User Page? umm.. Why?
--[[User:Sebasgokart|Sebasgokart]] 10:24, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
 
: It was deleted because someone else wrote down some discussion about your VA edits being spamlinks or not. Apart from that there was no content on the page, so it was deleted (all the way back in October!!).
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 12:07, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
 
== Article considered for deletion ==
Hi Gijs, my page is also suggest for being deleted because aparently, someone want to make a page with all the VA which does already exist !
So, I ask you (or if you have good reason) not to delete my articles because it's really anoying to make everyday the same roll-back on the page.
Thx, [[User:Bastien.D|Bastien.D]] 20:00 01 April 2012 (EDT)
 
: Please see my message on your talk page: [[User talk:Bastien.D#Removing templates]]
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 16:10, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
 
== Virtual airline template ==
 
{{thumbs up}} Thank you for the work on [http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php?title=Template:Virtual_airline_summary&oldid=46998 Template:Virtual airline summary]! I could not have done it better for at least a couple of weeks. :-D —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 15:21, 9 April 2012 (EDT)
 
== Missing GPL logo image ==
 
I noticed that the image for the GLP v.2 logo at the bottom right of every page is missing, but I do not know for how long it has been missing.  I do not know where I should point you to help you fix it, yet, but on the source for a downloaded page it is located as below (note the empty <code>src</code> attribute):
 
<syntaxhighlight lang="html4strict">
<!-- footer -->
  <div id="footer">
    ...
    <img src="" alt="GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991" width="88" height="31"/>
    ...
  </div>
<!-- /footer -->
</syntaxhighlight>
 
—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 05:18, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
: I think it's never been there actually. MediaWiki templates do not support the GPL (by default), so it failed to display an icon. But I've removed it now. Will adjust the copyright text slightly as well.
: Thanks! [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 05:42, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
 
== Delete article about non-existing partnership ==
Hi Gijs, Through this message on behalf of the group fgbr denuciar (Unitedfreeworld) be using our name in a partnership to build the 747-8i does not exist.
We ask that meets our request and delete the Wiki page that is in putting the group fgbr as a partner working with (Unitedfreeworld).
Here is the page created for them: [[Boeing 747-8i]]
 
Thank you for your attention.
 
The Group FGBr thanks.
My prefix is ​​BR-WAG contact.
 
{{unsigned|07:21, 22 April 2012‎|Wagner Silva}}


: Hi,
: Hi,
: feel free to remove UnitedFreeworld from the author tag. It's a wiki after all ;-) I see no reason the remove the article, just because there is one little fault in it...
: how about creating a "Wiki" header that contains the "Recent changes" and "Help" links? It could then also have a link to the village pump. I don't think we should call it "Village pump" though, as probably no-one will guess that's a place to talk about the wiki ;-) Something like "Wiki discussions" or so is more descriptive...
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 07:05, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
: Cheers, [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 13:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
: PS: Please sign messages on talk pages with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> and do not overwrite existing discussions. Instead, click the "Add topic" link at the top of the screen to add a new subject.
 
== Old galleries and seemingly unused images ==
 
Just a heads-up. You probably should do a search before you delete unused images. I noticed that there are a lot of older galleries like e.g. [[FlightGear Newsletter January 2011#New aircraft]] that is not rendering the images. The file description pages will therefore indicate that the images are not in use.
 
The failed galleries might be a candidate for a bot job.
 
—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan G|contribs]]) 03:56, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
 
: Hm, thought I fixed them all. Thanks!
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] 07:05, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
 
== The new main page layout ==
 
==== A few suggestions ====
* Please add [[Portal:Wiki]] to the Portals in the left-hand menu.  (I guess you simply forgot to do that ;-)
* I strongly feel that there should be one single meeting place that is quickly and easily found, ''preferably not on a talk page''.  See rationale below.
 
==== Rationale for a single meeting place ====
:''I'm sorry if you would feel that I am a bit pushy about this, but I feel this is very important.''
 
For a newcomer there doesn't seem to be a Village pump equivalent, where they can get a feel for the wiki community and ask their very first questions.
 
There are in fact several places, apart from [irc://#wiki@irc.flightgear.org #wiki@irc.flightgear.org] (wich is currently not mentioned on [[Portal:Wiki]]), used in a similar way (that may or may not be intended for that purpose), some of them being:
* [[Talk:Main Page]]
* [[FlightGear wiki talk:Community portal]]
* [[Help talk:Contents]]
* Your own user talk page ?
 
The biggest drawback with having such a place on a talk page is that you either have to know it's there, or you more or less have to find it by accident.  Also having the more general discussion spread over several (slightly obscure) places add an element of confusion:  How would one know where to ask questions, and would anyone have a look there to answer them?


Maybe the statistics on [[FlightGear wiki:Community portal]] could be moved to a separate page, and [[FlightGear wiki talk:Community portal]] could be moved to [[FlightGear wiki:Community portal]]?
:: I have been thinking of changing the name of that page as well.  "Village pump" is used on WikiMedia Commons, the Swedish Wikipedia (though translated) and probably a few other wikis so someone coming from one of those places would be at home with it, but not everyone are from those places.
:: I have in the past considered suggesting changing it into say "Editor lounge" or rather something aviation related, but for instance "Pilot lounge" would have been so horribly misleading. ;-)
:: A "Wiki" header will help organise the contents but might hide contents by default, but hopefully people are curious enough to spend a few seconds looking around.
:: —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 19:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Went ahead and added a link in the sidebar titled "[[FlightGear wiki:Village pump|Discuss!]]".
::: —[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 13:58, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


A single place for discussion, that is quickly and simply found, would make it easier to reach all of the more active editors without having to resort to invite them all to discussion at their own user talk pages. Reach them for both questions, suggestions and collective coordinated efforts when needed. :-)
== Help with Fatal error: Class 'Services_JSON' /CategoryTree/CategoryTreeFunctions.php on line 224 Error ==


==== And last but not least ====
Gijs
Great to finally see the new layout in action.  Great work!  {{thumbs up}}


I think it will be a lot easier to navigate around the portals and getting started editing the wiki, and continuing editing with the new layout. :-)
I saw you had mentioned the issue with the JSON class.  I was wondering if you ever found a resolution for this problem. I support a wiki group and have been suffering for the last month trying to resolve this issue.  I would be grateful for any help.


And when I'm at it: Great work categorising all the aircraft. I really mean it! :-)
I am running mediawiki 1.22  with php 5.3.10


On another note, I have been flying RC planes and gliders for years. I have wanted to get a simulator program.  Would this be a good one to start with ?


—[[User:Johan G|Johan G]] ([[User_talk:Johan_G|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Johan_G|contribs]]) 04:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)




Nice clean layout. Look forward to working with it...
Many Thanks
[[User:Openflight|Openflight]] 07:17, 3 May 2012 (EDT)


== Deletion of Supported Peripherals page(s) ==
Peter


Hi Gijs, I was interested in looking at a list of supported joysticks, and followed a [red] link from [[FlightGear Hardware Recommendations]] to [[Supported Peripherals]]. I saw that you moved that page to [[Supported peripherals]] on April 7, 2011 at 11:46 with the comment "No need to capitalise all words in a title.", but then deleted that new page at 11:48 with the comment "deleted "Supported peripherals" ‎ (Copied)". Finally, on February 26, 2012, you deleted the original page because of "Broken redirect". This means that the page does not exist at any of the 2 locations anymore. Is there a way to get the content of the page back? Groetjes! (FYI just created my wiki account to talk to you ;) ) [[User:E2jk|E2jk]] 17:12, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
: Hi Peter,
: like I said at [[FlightGear wiki:Village pump#Found bugs]]
: "The CategoryTree extension relies on a function that was removed as of 1.22.0, so the extensions needs some fixing. I've disabled it for now."
: So my solution was to disable it. The extension itself needs fixing to work with more recent version of MediaWiki, that's not something I intended to do ;-)
: And yes, FlightGear would be a good simulator to start (and even stick) with. I'm biased though...
: [[User:Gijs|Gijs]] ([[User talk:Gijs|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Revision as of 09:56, 25 March 2014


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"Talk:Eurocopter EC135" (Author request: Author blanked page)

Did I miss something? Can't remember seen that... Can you tell what it was about? Cheers --HHS 12:24, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi,
F-JJTH wrote " Heiko, is V1.0 full "Rembrandt compatible" ?" on the page but blanked it shortly thereafter. I think he found the answer already... So all I did was delete that blank page.
Gijs 16:08, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

About the wiki..

Hi Gijs, hope all is well. I was stopping by because I noticed the words "Please post only encyclopedic information that can be verified by external sources. Please maintain a neutral, unbiased point of view. " in the editor. Its really not right to say this, because the FlightGear wiki has to be a "primary source". The contributions are typically original writing, and it specifically includes opinions (such as reviews), as well as first-hand accounts. Thank you. Fg 20:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


The wiki is mostly a primary source, saying "Please post only encyclopedic information that can be verified by external sources. .. " makes no sense. Most of what is written here is orginal content, and it does not make sense to have this in the edit box. Also, I don't agree with many of the articles you have deleted. These are small issues in view of your large contributions to the project, and I want to thank you for those, but I must also bring up these issues. Thanks again. Fg (talk) 20:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi,
You're right about the "external sources" statement. That was just a default from MediaWiki but is not very applicable to our wiki. I've removed it now. Thanks for notifying me!
What is it that you don't agree with? Is it the airport articles? Those were not deleted yet, they were only marked for deletion. The notice mentioned why I think they should be deleted. Feel free to share your arguments that make you think they should be kept. As the template stated "Do not remove this tag until the discussion is closed.", so I've placed the templates back and am looking forward to your (argued) opinion.
Cheers,
Gijs (talk) 17:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks for fixing that! Come to think of it "Please maintain a neutral, unbiased point of view." may also be unneeded, as we have sections for reviews (with opinions) of aircraft, etc. but I will leave that up to you. I will check out the articles for deletion again. Thank you. Fg (talk) 22:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Adding the village pump to the sidebar or not

I have been pondering adding the village pump to the sidebar. I would probably add it between Recent changes and Random page. I have read in a bit on the sidebar on the MediaWiki help pages, but before I actually do it I want to ask you about your opinion about doing that.

The biggest pros and cons as I see it is that anyone will find it so it will be used a bit more, but at the same time that those that will not even read a few sentences of text (including people not comfortably reading English) sometimes will go there for help on using the simulator itself instead of going to the forum.

So what do you think about it?

Johan G (Talk | contribs) 09:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi,
how about creating a "Wiki" header that contains the "Recent changes" and "Help" links? It could then also have a link to the village pump. I don't think we should call it "Village pump" though, as probably no-one will guess that's a place to talk about the wiki ;-) Something like "Wiki discussions" or so is more descriptive...
Cheers, Gijs (talk) 13:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I have been thinking of changing the name of that page as well. "Village pump" is used on WikiMedia Commons, the Swedish Wikipedia (though translated) and probably a few other wikis so someone coming from one of those places would be at home with it, but not everyone are from those places.
I have in the past considered suggesting changing it into say "Editor lounge" or rather something aviation related, but for instance "Pilot lounge" would have been so horribly misleading. ;-)
A "Wiki" header will help organise the contents but might hide contents by default, but hopefully people are curious enough to spend a few seconds looking around.
Johan G (Talk | contribs) 19:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Went ahead and added a link in the sidebar titled "Discuss!".
Johan G (Talk | contribs) 13:58, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Help with Fatal error: Class 'Services_JSON' /CategoryTree/CategoryTreeFunctions.php on line 224 Error

Gijs

I saw you had mentioned the issue with the JSON class. I was wondering if you ever found a resolution for this problem. I support a wiki group and have been suffering for the last month trying to resolve this issue. I would be grateful for any help.

I am running mediawiki 1.22 with php 5.3.10

On another note, I have been flying RC planes and gliders for years. I have wanted to get a simulator program. Would this be a good one to start with ?


Many Thanks

Peter

Hi Peter,
like I said at FlightGear wiki:Village pump#Found bugs
"The CategoryTree extension relies on a function that was removed as of 1.22.0, so the extensions needs some fixing. I've disabled it for now."
So my solution was to disable it. The extension itself needs fixing to work with more recent version of MediaWiki, that's not something I intended to do ;-)
And yes, FlightGear would be a good simulator to start (and even stick) with. I'm biased though...
Gijs (talk) 09:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)