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|you will mainly use the autopilot to control the aircraft (since it has a real FDM it's kinda hard to control), and we would definitely recommend one with a developed autopilot (the 777s are really excellent with everything and has a good autopilot with all features you want). I don't fly in aircraft a lot, and like only three times with an autopilot, so I can't recommend any other aircraft with good autopilots. But one option with the 777 is that you could potentially use Nasal to dynamically edit routes that the aircraft just flies – not much work there. Another approach would be manually adjusting the autopilot parameters (like heading hold, bank angle, and stuff like that) through Nasal feedback algorithms for aircraft that don't have a.route manager. You could also couple this with the XML autopilot (now called "property rule") system to have real PIDs, easy lowpass, etc.<br/> | |||
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Revision as of 09:42, 26 June 2014
AI Scenarios vs. Scripting
The AI system itself is not all that flexible, but the various scripted approaches (tanker.nas, bombable etc) do use it as the backend for placing traffic, even though all the control logic is then handled in scripting space.
— Hooray (Thu Aug 29). Re: Suitability of this software to run a swarm simulation.
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the code to do this is already readily available in FlightGear. $FG_ROOT/tanker.nas is a good demonstration for code that iterates over the AI properties. |
the most flexible approach would be using scripting - FligthGear has a built-in scripting language (called "Nasal"), that can be used to control aircraft, and even to instantiate multiple AI aircraft, one of the most straightforward examples is the "tanker.nas" script, which creates a fully scripted AI tanker - that could be easily extended to create dozens of tankers, and obviously you could also change the 3D model if you wanted to. In fact, we have a separate addon, named "bombable" that adds "AI bots" to the simulator, for dogfighting purposes - none of that required C++ changes, it's all done in scripting space. Another users implemented a fully scripted missile (fox2.nas) that tracks aircraft - and we also have a feature for "wingman" support, too.
— Hooray (Wed Aug 28). Re: Suitability of this software to run a swarm simulation.
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For starters, I'd suggest to read through these: What_is_Nasal — Hooray (Fri Sep 20). Re: How would I go about controlling an airplane with nasal?.
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Scripted AI in FlightGear
Another example is the "tanker.nas" script in $FG_ROOT which implements a simple scripted AI tanker for AAR purposes: search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=tanker.nas http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=ta ... eforge.net <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LL7bdHrR8uI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
— Hooray (Mon Feb 04). Re: Possibility to run a fully automatized mission ?.
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he simplest solution is probably using scripted AI traffic nodes. Note however that AI traffic cannot currently make use of any FDMs (JSBSim/YaSim), instead you need to come up with your own "pseudo FDM" in scripting space.
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Scripted AI Missiles
xiii is the developer of the F14b's fox2 implementation, the original thread was: Subject: Missiles with seeking capabilities.
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Learning AI
It is certainly possible (like xiii said already), however it will require a solid background in AI and coding. It could definitely be implemented without touching any C++ though (i.e. using scripted Nasal code). I am disagreeing a little with xiii regarding the feasibility of using the bombability package for this, it's actually pretty well-written and well-commented source code. However, it is obviously a huge and complex piece of software. Just understanding how everything works, will take weeks or even months. — Hooray (Sun Jul 08). Re: Possibility of incorporating "learning" AI?.
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we should probably consider this a long-term goal, and then it would make sense to extract the AI control code from bombable into some separate "ai.nas" module, i.e. splitting up bombable into separate files.
— Hooray (Thu Aug 02). Re: Possibility of incorporating "learning" AI?.
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Custom "pilot" implementations could then be provided for different purposes, i.e. by reimplementing an abstract "pilot" base class and overriding functionality as required.
— Hooray (Thu Aug 02). Re: Possibility of incorporating "learning" AI?.
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Controlling the main Airplane
I'd suggest to get started by looking at the tanker.nas script instead - fox2.nas, the f14b demo and the bombable script are much more sophisticated, while tanker.nas is really pretty simple and straightforward: https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/source/ ... tanker.nas
— Hooray (Thu Sep 19). Re: How would I go about controlling an airplane with nasal?.
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hat would be great - but you'll probably want to look at tanker.nas for now, and look up the various APIs used there (see the wiki). The other examples are a little more involved. — Hooray (Thu Sep 19). Re: How would I go about controlling an airplane with nasal?.
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you can simply look at the autopilot dialog of your aircraft (e.g. c172p, b1900d or 777) - sometimes, looking at the cockpit panel may also make sense (MCP) - otherwise, you can then simply use the autopilot system to control the aircraft, which also includes support for flying complete routes via the built-in route manager, for details, see:
— Hooray (Fri Sep 20). Re: How would I go about controlling an airplane with nasal?.
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you will mainly use the autopilot to control the aircraft (since it has a real FDM it's kinda hard to control), and we would definitely recommend one with a developed autopilot (the 777s are really excellent with everything and has a good autopilot with all features you want). I don't fly in aircraft a lot, and like only three times with an autopilot, so I can't recommend any other aircraft with good autopilots. But one option with the 777 is that you could potentially use Nasal to dynamically edit routes that the aircraft just flies – not much work there. Another approach would be manually adjusting the autopilot parameters (like heading hold, bank angle, and stuff like that) through Nasal feedback algorithms for aircraft that don't have a.route manager. You could also couple this with the XML autopilot (now called "property rule") system to have real PIDs, easy lowpass, etc. — Philosopher (Fri Sep 20). Re: How would I go about controlling an airplane with nasal?.
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Fully Automatized Missions
Yes, it is possible "to make" such a mission - but you will literally have to MAKE it by writing a script to outline all required steps for your aircraft. Curt did that a while back for the f14b, which did a fully automated carrier approach using just Nasal scripting: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/cvbtSG9cy20" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
— Hooray (Mon Feb 04). Re: Possibility to run a fully automatized mission ?.
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