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'''Mailing lists''' are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.
 
'''Mailing lists''' are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.
  
Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum.  You do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
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Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
  
 
== The mailing lists ==
 
== The mailing lists ==
Some of the lists are for discussions while some only contain announcements.
 
 
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
! List (flightgear-…)
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! List
 
! Contents
 
! Contents
 
<!-- ! Status -->
 
<!-- ! Status -->
 
! Archive
 
! Archive
 
! Subscribe
 
! Subscribe
! Email address
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! E-mail address
 
! Remarks
 
! Remarks
 
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|-
 
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| announce
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| flightgear-announce
 
| FlightGear announcements  
 
| FlightGear announcements  
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-announce archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-announce}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-announce subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-announce}}
| flightgear-announce@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-announce}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| bugs
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-bugs
| FlightGear Bug Tracker
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| Bug tracker messages
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-bugs archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-bugs}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-bugs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-bugs}}
| flightgear-bugs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-bugs}}
|  
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| Apparently dismissed
 
|-
 
|-
| builds
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| flightgear-builds
 
| Chatter from the FlightGear build servers  
 
| Chatter from the FlightGear build servers  
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-builds archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-builds}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-builds subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-builds}}
| flightgear-builds@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-builds}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| commitlogs
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| flightgear-commitlogs
| Source code change commit logs  
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| Source code change commit logs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-commitlogs archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-commitlogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| flightgear-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-commitlogs}}
|  
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| As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913347/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref> In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.<ref>{{cite web
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|url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913630/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Edward d'Auvergne</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913846/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref>
 
|-
 
|-
| cvslogs
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-cvslogs
| CVS commit log distribution
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| CVS commit logs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-cvslogs archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-cvslogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| flightgear-cvslogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-cvslogs}}
|  
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| Apparently dismissed
 
|-
 
|-
| devel
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| flightgear-devel
| FlightGear developer discussions  
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| FlightGear developer discussions
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-devel archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-devel}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-devel}}
| flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-devel}}
 
| Most active list
 
| Most active list
 
|-
 
|-
| fgaddon-commitlogs
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| flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs
| Commit log message for the fgaddon repository (content developers)  
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| Commit logs for the [[FGAddon]] repository (content developers)  
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
| flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| flightmodel
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| flightgear-flightmodel
 
| Flight model discussions  
 
| Flight model discussions  
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-flightmodel archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-flightmodel}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-flightmodel subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-flightmodel}}
| flightgear-flightmodel@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-flightmodel}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| newsletter
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| flightgear-newsletter
| FlightGear newsletter announcements and discussions  
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| [[FlightGear Newsletter|Newsletter]] announcements and discussions  
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-newsletter archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-newsletter}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-newsletter subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-newsletter}}
| flightgear-newsletter@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-newsletter}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| scenery
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| flightgear-scenery
| Discussion of Scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.  
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| Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.  
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-scenery archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-scenery}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-scenery subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-scenery}}
| flightgear-scenery@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-scenery}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| users
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| flightgear-users
 
| FlightGear user discussions
 
| FlightGear user discussions
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-users archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-users}}
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-users}}
| flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-users}}
 
| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
 
| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
== How to subscribe to a mailing list ==
 
== How to subscribe to a mailing list ==
To sign up for one of the above mailing lists following these steps:
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To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:
  
# Click a subscribe link in the list above to get to the form where you sign up for that list.
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# Click a '''Subscribe''' link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
# Add your email address and pick a password, then click the {{key press|Subscribe}} button.
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# Enter your e-mail address in the '''Your email address:''' box. You can optionally also:
#* If you want to instantly see responses, do not choose 'daily digest'.  This option can be changed at any time.
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#* give your name;
# Wait for a confirmation email (usually within 10 seconds, and a few minutes max).  It can often be found in your spam folder. Then click on the link in that message.
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#* choose to receive e-mails ''batched in a daily digest'' (merged in a single message) or not;
# Select your settings.
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#* choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
# At the bottom there are two buttons, one to cancel the process the other to subscript.  Click on the correct button.
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{{warning|Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail, meaning}}
#* This step is often forgotten!
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<ol start="3">
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<li>Click the {{button|Subscribe}} button.</li>
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<li>You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.</li>
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<li>SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on {{button|Subscribe to list ''list name''}} to complete the process.</li>
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</ol>
  
When you are subscribing to most of the mailings list you can post messages freelyYou might be kicked off if you bring conflicts or noise, though.
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== Posting to mailing lists ==
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To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.<ref name="MLPolicy">{{cite web
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|url    = https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=244916
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|title = <nowiki>Re: Why is my post rejected from devel list?</nowiki>
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|author = <nowiki>curt</nowiki>
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|date  = May 31st, 2015
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|added  = May 5th, 2016
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|script_version = 0.32
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}}
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</ref> For the same reason, first posts are subject to moderator approval to catch the cases where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam.<ref name="MLPolicy" />
  
Discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem.
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When posting to the lists, discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem. Also, be civil - avoid bringing conflicts or noise.
  
Keep in mind that many of the lists are slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message.  Sometimes you will simply find there is none.
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Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.
 
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== Posting to a mailing list without subscribing ==
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Subscribing is not strictly necessary to send emails.
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Your post may be significantly delayed if you are not subscribed though.  E-mails from addresses which are not subscribed to the list are held for moderator approval before they are posted.
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{{FGCquote
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  |The mailing lists are conduits for an amazing number of spam attempts.  To protect list subscribers we require that people be subscribed to the list before they can post.  Also be aware that you have to be subscribed with the address you post from.  This catches some people because we live in a world where a lot of us have multiple email addresses we juggle (or a mail server might rewrite your from address on the fly.)  In addition, new subscribers start out as moderated to catch situations where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam (which happens a lot on the forum as well.)
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The list forum admins try to catch legit postings by new users to forward them along, and we try to manually unmoderate legit email address as we see them.  But because of the high volume of spam that attempts to flow through the mailing lists, sometimes the legit stuff gets missed in all the noise.
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  |{{cite web |url=http://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=244916&sid=4631caf8790729b40cba64e45615e05f#p244916
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    |title=<nowiki>Re: Why is my post rejected from devel list?</nowiki>
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    |author=<nowiki>curt</nowiki>
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    |date=<nowiki>Sun May 31</nowiki>
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  }}
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}}
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== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
 
== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported}} to the {{tickets|issue tracker}} instead of posting to a mailing list.
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Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported to the issue tracker}} instead of posting them to a mailing list.
  
 
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
 
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
  
 
== External links ==
 
== External links ==
* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html Details]
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* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html FlightGear mailing list details]
* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ All the mailing lists]
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* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ List of all project mailing lists on SourceForge]
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{{appendix}}
  
 
[[Category:FlightGear]]
 
[[Category:FlightGear]]
 
[[Category:Community]]
 
[[Category:Community]]

Revision as of 12:07, 5 May 2016

Mailing lists are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.

Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.

The mailing lists

List Contents Archive Subscribe E-mail address Remarks
flightgear-announce FlightGear announcements Archive Subscribe flightgear-announce@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-bugs Bug tracker messages Archive Subscribe flightgear-bugs@lists.sourceforge.net Apparently dismissed
flightgear-builds Chatter from the FlightGear build servers Archive Subscribe flightgear-builds@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-commitlogs Source code change commit logs Archive Subscribe flightgear-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.[1] In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.[2][3]
flightgear-cvslogs CVS commit logs Archive Subscribe flightgear-cvslogs@lists.sourceforge.net Apparently dismissed
flightgear-devel FlightGear developer discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Most active list
flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs Commit logs for the FGAddon repository (content developers) Archive Subscribe flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-flightmodel Flight model discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-flightmodel@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-newsletter Newsletter announcements and discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-newsletter@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-scenery Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc. Archive Subscribe flightgear-scenery@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-users FlightGear user discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Mostly replaced by the forum

How to subscribe to a mailing list

To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:

  1. Click a Subscribe link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
  2. Enter your e-mail address in the Your email address: box. You can optionally also:
    • give your name;
    • choose to receive e-mails batched in a daily digest (merged in a single message) or not;
    • choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
Warning  Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail, meaning
  1. Click the Subscribe button.
  2. You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.
  3. SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on Subscribe to list list name to complete the process.

Posting to mailing lists

To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.[4] For the same reason, first posts are subject to moderator approval to catch the cases where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam.[4]

When posting to the lists, discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem. Also, be civil - avoid bringing conflicts or noise.

Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.

Report bugs to the issue tracker

Bugs should preferably be reported to the issue tracker instead of posting them to a mailing list.

You may have to register a SourceForge account first.

External links

References