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'''Mailing lists''' are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.
 
'''Mailing lists''' are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.
  
Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum.  You do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
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Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
  
 
== The mailing lists ==
 
== The mailing lists ==
Some of the lists are for discussions while some only contain announcements.
 
 
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
! List
 
! List
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! Contents
 
<!-- ! Status -->
 
<!-- ! Status -->
 
! Archive
 
! Archive
 
! Subscribe
 
! Subscribe
! Email address
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! E-mail address
! Contents
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! Remarks
 
! Remarks
 
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|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-announce
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| flightgear-announce
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-announce archive]
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| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-announce subscribe]
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| flightgear-announce@lists.sourceforge.net
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| FlightGear announcements  
 
| FlightGear announcements  
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-announce}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-announce}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-announce}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-bugs
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-bugs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-bugs archive]
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| Bug tracker messages
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-bugs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-bugs}}
| flightgear-bugs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-bugs}}
| FlightGear Bug Tracker
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-bugs}}
|  
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| Apparently dismissed
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-builds
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| flightgear-builds
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-builds archive]
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| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-builds subscribe]
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| flightgear-builds@lists.sourceforge.net
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| Chatter from the FlightGear build servers  
 
| Chatter from the FlightGear build servers  
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-builds}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-builds}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-builds}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-commitlogs
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| flightgear-commitlogs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-commitlogs archive]
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| Source code change commit logs
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-commitlogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| flightgear-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| Source code change commit logs
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-commitlogs}}
|  
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| As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913347/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref> In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.<ref>{{cite web
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|url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913630/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Edward d'Auvergne</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913846/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref>
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-cvslogs
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-cvslogs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-cvslogs archive]
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| CVS commit logs
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-cvslogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| flightgear-cvslogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| CVS commit log distribution
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-cvslogs}}
|  
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| Apparently dismissed
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-devel
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| flightgear-devel
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-devel archive]
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| FlightGear developer discussions
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-devel}}
| flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-devel}}
| FlightGear developer discussions
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-devel}}
 
| Most active list
 
| Most active list
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs
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| flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs archive]
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| Commit logs for the [[FGAddon]] repository (content developers)
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
| flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
| Commit log message for the fgaddon repository (content developers)
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-flightmodel
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| flightgear-flightmodel
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-flightmodel archive]
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| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-flightmodel subscribe]
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| flightgear-flightmodel@lists.sourceforge.net
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| Flight model discussions  
 
| Flight model discussions  
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-flightmodel}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-flightmodel}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-flightmodel}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-newsletter
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-newsletter
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-newsletter archive]
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| [[FlightGear Newsletter|Newsletter]] announcements and discussions
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-newsletter subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-newsletter}}
| flightgear-newsletter@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-newsletter}}
| FlightGear newsletter announcements and discussions
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-newsletter}}
|  
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| Last post 2012
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-scenery
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| flightgear-scenery
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-scenery archive]
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| Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.  
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-scenery subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-scenery}}
| flightgear-scenery@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-scenery}}
| Discussion of Scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.  
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-scenery}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| Flightgear-users
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| flightgear-users
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-users archive]
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| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users subscribe]
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| flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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| FlightGear user discussions
 
| FlightGear user discussions
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-users}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-users}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-users}}
 
| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
 
| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
 
|}
 
|}
  
== Subscribing to a mailing list ==
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== How to subscribe to a mailing list ==
To sign up for one of the above mailing lists following these steps:
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To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:
  
# Click a subscribe link in the list above to get to the form where you sign up for that list.
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# Click a '''Subscribe''' link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
# Add your email address and pick a password, then click the {{key press|Subscribe}} button.
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# Enter your e-mail address in the '''Your email address:''' box. You can optionally also:
#* If you want to instantly see responses, do not choose 'daily digest'.  This option can be changed at any time.
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#* give your name;
# Wait for a confirmation email (usually within 10 seconds, and a few minutes max).  It can often be found in your spam folder. Then click on the link in that message.
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#* choose to receive e-mails ''batched in a daily digest'' (merged in a single message) or not;
# Select your settings.
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#* choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
# At the bottom there are two buttons, one to cancel the process the other to subscript.  Click on the correct button.
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{{warning|Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail (this means that someone snooping on your messages might be able to get it).}}
#* This step is often forgotten!
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<ol start="3">
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<li>Click the {{button|Subscribe}} button.</li>
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<li>You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.</li>
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<li>SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on {{button|Subscribe to list ''list name''}} to complete the process.</li>
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</ol>
  
When you are subscribing to most of the mailings list you can post messages freelyYou might be kicked off if you bring conflicts or noise, though.
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== Posting to mailing lists ==
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To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.<ref name="MLPolicy">{{cite web
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|url    = https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=244916
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|title = <nowiki>Re: Why is my post rejected from devel list?</nowiki>
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|author = <nowiki>curt</nowiki>
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|date  = May 31st, 2015
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|added  = May 5th, 2016
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|script_version = 0.32
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}}
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</ref> For the same reason, first posts are subject to moderator approval to catch the cases where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam.<ref name="MLPolicy" />
  
Discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem.
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When posting to the lists, discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem. Also, be civil - avoid bringing conflicts or noise.
  
Keep in mind that many of the lists are slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message.  Sometimes you will simply find there is none.
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Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.
 
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== Posting to the mailing lists without subscribing ==
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Subscribing is not strictly necessary to send emails.
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Your post may be significantly delayed if you are not subscribed though.  E-mails from addresses which are not subscribed to the list are held for moderator approval before they are posted.
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== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
 
== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported}} to the {{tickets|issue tracker}} instead of posting to a mailing list.
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Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported to the issue tracker}} instead of posting them to a mailing list.
  
 
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
 
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
  
 
== External links ==
 
== External links ==
* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html Details]
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* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html FlightGear mailing list details]
* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ All the mailing lists]
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* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ List of all project mailing lists on SourceForge]
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{{appendix}}
  
 
[[Category:FlightGear]]
 
[[Category:FlightGear]]
 
[[Category:Community]]
 
[[Category:Community]]

Latest revision as of 06:04, 19 June 2017

Mailing lists are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.

Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.

The mailing lists

List Contents Archive Subscribe E-mail address Remarks
flightgear-announce FlightGear announcements Archive Subscribe flightgear-announce@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-bugs Bug tracker messages Archive Subscribe flightgear-bugs@lists.sourceforge.net Apparently dismissed
flightgear-builds Chatter from the FlightGear build servers Archive Subscribe flightgear-builds@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-commitlogs Source code change commit logs Archive Subscribe flightgear-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.[1] In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.[2][3]
flightgear-cvslogs CVS commit logs Archive Subscribe flightgear-cvslogs@lists.sourceforge.net Apparently dismissed
flightgear-devel FlightGear developer discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Most active list
flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs Commit logs for the FGAddon repository (content developers) Archive Subscribe flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-flightmodel Flight model discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-flightmodel@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-newsletter Newsletter announcements and discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-newsletter@lists.sourceforge.net Last post 2012
flightgear-scenery Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc. Archive Subscribe flightgear-scenery@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-users FlightGear user discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Mostly replaced by the forum

How to subscribe to a mailing list

To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:

  1. Click a Subscribe link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
  2. Enter your e-mail address in the Your email address: box. You can optionally also:
    • give your name;
    • choose to receive e-mails batched in a daily digest (merged in a single message) or not;
    • choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
Warning  Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail (this means that someone snooping on your messages might be able to get it).
  1. Click the Subscribe button.
  2. You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.
  3. SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on Subscribe to list list name to complete the process.

Posting to mailing lists

To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.[4] For the same reason, first posts are subject to moderator approval to catch the cases where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam.[4]

When posting to the lists, discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem. Also, be civil - avoid bringing conflicts or noise.

Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.

Report bugs to the issue tracker

Bugs should preferably be reported to the issue tracker instead of posting them to a mailing list.

You may have to register a SourceForge account first.

External links

References