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'''Mailing lists''' are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.
 
'''Mailing lists''' are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.
  
Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum.  You do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
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Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.
  
 
== The mailing lists ==
 
== The mailing lists ==
Some of the lists are for discussions while some only contain announcements.
 
 
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
! List
 
! List
! Status
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! Contents
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<!-- ! Status -->
 
! Archive
 
! Archive
 
! Subscribe
 
! Subscribe
! Email address
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! E-mail address
 
! Remarks
 
! Remarks
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<!--
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #33cf83; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Active
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ffe344; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Quiet
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Inactive
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-->
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-Devel
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| flightgear-announce
| rowspan="2" style="background: #33cf83; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Active
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| FlightGear announcements
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-devel archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-announce}}
| [http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-announce}}
| flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-announce}}
| The most active list.  Where you can contact mostly core developers.
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|  
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-commitlogs
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-bugs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-commitlogs archive]
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| Bug tracker messages
| [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-commitlogs subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-bugs}}
| flightgear-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-bugs}}
| Announces all commits to some of the repositories.
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-bugs}}
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| Apparently dismissed
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-Scenery
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| flightgear-builds
| rowspan="2" style="background: #ffe344; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Quiet
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| Chatter from the FlightGear build servers
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-scenery archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-builds}}
| [http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-scenery subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-builds}}
| flightgear-scenery@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-builds}}
| Scenery developments.
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|  
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-Users
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| flightgear-commitlogs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-users  archive]
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| Source code change commit logs
| [http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-commitlogs}}
| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum] these days.
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-commitlogs}}
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| As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913347/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref> In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.<ref>{{cite web
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|url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913630/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Edward d'Auvergne</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/message/33913846/
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|title=<nowiki>Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] [FGData] FlightGear data - next generation branch next updated. 7b595eca19e1bfb83ae330c02f2eeec5e9c9da58</nowiki>
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|author=<nowiki>Curtis Olson</nowiki>
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|date=<nowiki>2015-04-19</nowiki>
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}}</ref>
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-Announce
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-cvslogs
| rowspan="3" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" | Inactive
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| CVS commit logs
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-announce  archive]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| [http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-announce subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-cvslogs}}
| flightgear-announce@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-cvslogs}}
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| Apparently dismissed
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|-
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| flightgear-devel
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| FlightGear developer discussions
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-devel}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-devel}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-devel}}
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| Most active list
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|-
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| flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs
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| Commit logs for the [[FGAddon]] repository (content developers)
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-FlightModel
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| flightgear-flightmodel
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-flightmodel archive]
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| Flight model discussions
| [http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-flightmodel subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-flightmodel}}
| flightgear-flightmodel@lists.sourceforge.net
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-flightmodel}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-flightmodel}}
 
|  
 
|  
 
|-
 
|-
| FlightGear-Newsletter
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| rowspan="1" style="background: #ff6e67; color: black; vertical-align: middle;" | flightgear-newsletter
| [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=flightgear-newsletter archive]
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| [[FlightGear Newsletter|Newsletter]] announcements and discussions
| [http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-newsletter subscribe]
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-newsletter}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-newsletter}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-newsletter}}
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| Last post 2012
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|-
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| flightgear-scenery
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| Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc.  
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-scenery}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-scenery}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-scenery}}
 
|  
 
|  
| Receive an email when a new edition is published.
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|-
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| flightgear-users
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| FlightGear user discussions
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| {{Mailing list archive|flightgear-users}}
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| {{Mailing list subscription link|flightgear-users}}
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| {{Mailing list e-mail address|flightgear-users}}
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| Mostly replaced by [http://forum.flightgear.org the forum]
 
|}
 
|}
  
== Subscribing to the devel list ==
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== How to subscribe to a mailing list ==
{{FGCquote
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To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:
  |Just [https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel sign up here] with these steps:
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# Add you email address and pick a password, then click on [subscribe].  If you want to instantly see responses, don't choose 'daily digest'.  This option can be changed at any time.
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# Wait for a confirmation email (usually &lt; 10 seconds, and a few minutes max).  It will often be found in the spam folder.  Then click on the link in that message.
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# Select your settings.
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# At the bottom there are two buttons - one to cancel the process, the other to subscript.  Click on the correct one.  This step is often forgotten!
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  |{{cite web |url=http://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=243054#p243054
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    |title=<nowiki>Re: Looking for aircraft with 'paper cut' bugs</nowiki>
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    |author=<nowiki>bugman</nowiki>
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    |date=<nowiki>Fri May 15</nowiki>
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  }}
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}}
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{{FGCquote
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# Click a '''Subscribe''' link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
  |Then you are on the mailing list and can post messages freely (anyone bringing in conflict will be kicked off pretty fast, but otherwise there's no problem). Then just discuss the problem - here for YASim - lay it out in as much detail as you can and show why you are interested in this. It will really help if you are willing to work on this too, even if it not to do with the code.  Show that you want to help get this done and are not just asking for features.  That may be enough to get this implemented. You'll find the right people there to point you to the heart of the problem. Oh, the list is extremely slow compared to the forums, so responses can sometimes take up to a week (much longer than that and you should probe with a response to your own message). For the FG mailing lists, it really only takes less than a minute to subscribe, and seconds to unsubscribe later on, if you so wish:<br/>
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# Enter your e-mail address in the '''Your email address:''' box. You can optionally also:
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#* give your name;
<ul>
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#* choose to receive e-mails ''batched in a daily digest'' (merged in a single message) or not;
[https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/?source{{=}}navbar The FlightGear mailings lists].</ul>
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#* choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
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{{warning|Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail (this means that someone snooping on your messages might be able to get it).}}
Edit:  Oh, to post a message to the list, you simply send an email to flightgear-devel att lists.sourceforge.net after you have subscribed.
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<ol start="3">
  |{{cite web |url=http://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=243054#p243054
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<li>Click the {{button|Subscribe}} button.</li>
    |title=<nowiki>Re: Looking for aircraft with 'paper cut' bugs</nowiki>
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<li>You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.</li>
    |author=<nowiki>bugman</nowiki>
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<li>SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on {{button|Subscribe to list ''list name''}} to complete the process.</li>
    |date=<nowiki>Fri May 15</nowiki>
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</ol>
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== Posting to mailing lists ==
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To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.<ref name="MLPolicy">{{cite web
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|url   = https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?p=244916
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|title = <nowiki>Re: Why is my post rejected from devel list?</nowiki>
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|author = <nowiki>curt</nowiki>
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|date   = May 31st, 2015
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|added  = May 5th, 2016
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|script_version = 0.32
 
}}
 
}}
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</ref> For the same reason, first posts are subject to moderator approval to catch the cases where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam.<ref name="MLPolicy" />
  
== Posting to the mailing lists without subscribing ==
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When posting to the lists, discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem. Also, be civil - avoid bringing conflicts or noise.
Subscribing is not strictly necessary to send emails.
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Your post may be significantly delayed if you are not subscribed though. E-mails from addresses which are not subscribed to the list are held for moderator approval before they are posted.
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Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.
  
 
== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
 
== Report bugs to the issue tracker ==
Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported}} to the {{tickets|issue tracker}} instead of posting to a mailing list.
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Bugs should preferably be {{create ticket|reported to the issue tracker}} instead of posting them to a mailing list.
  
 
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
 
You may have to {{register to sf|register a SourceForge account}} first.
  
 
== External links ==
 
== External links ==
* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html Details]
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* [http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html FlightGear mailing list details]
* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ All the mailing lists]
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* [http://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/mailman/ List of all project mailing lists on SourceForge]
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{{appendix}}
  
 
[[Category:FlightGear]]
 
[[Category:FlightGear]]
 
[[Category:Community]]
 
[[Category:Community]]

Latest revision as of 06:04, 19 June 2017

Mailing lists are used for some of the FlightGear community's communications, in particular among the core developers who are working on the flight simulator itself.

Some questions are better asked on the mailing list instead of the forum, especially those related to core development or project infrastructure, but you do not strictly have to be a core developer to subscribe and/or post to the mailing lists.

The mailing lists

List Contents Archive Subscribe E-mail address Remarks
flightgear-announce FlightGear announcements Archive Subscribe flightgear-announce@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-bugs Bug tracker messages Archive Subscribe flightgear-bugs@lists.sourceforge.net Apparently dismissed
flightgear-builds Chatter from the FlightGear build servers Archive Subscribe flightgear-builds@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-commitlogs Source code change commit logs Archive Subscribe flightgear-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net As of May 2016, commit logs over 160 KB need to be approved manually by the list moderator; therefore, their delivery might be delayed.[1] In the future, bigger logs might not be sent anymore to the list in their entirety, to keep messages short and readable.[2][3]
flightgear-cvslogs CVS commit logs Archive Subscribe flightgear-cvslogs@lists.sourceforge.net Apparently dismissed
flightgear-devel FlightGear developer discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Most active list
flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs Commit logs for the FGAddon repository (content developers) Archive Subscribe flightgear-fgaddon-commitlogs@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-flightmodel Flight model discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-flightmodel@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-newsletter Newsletter announcements and discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-newsletter@lists.sourceforge.net Last post 2012
flightgear-scenery Discussion of scenery development: code, tools, GIS data, models, etc. Archive Subscribe flightgear-scenery@lists.sourceforge.net
flightgear-users FlightGear user discussions Archive Subscribe flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Mostly replaced by the forum

How to subscribe to a mailing list

To sign up for one of the above mailing lists, follow these steps:

  1. Click a Subscribe link in the list above to get to the mailing list subscription form.
  2. Enter your e-mail address in the Your email address: box. You can optionally also:
    • give your name;
    • choose to receive e-mails batched in a daily digest (merged in a single message) or not;
    • choose a password you can use to edit your subscription options in the future. If you do not enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you.
Warning  Do not use a valuable password as it will be occasionally sent to you via e-mail (this means that someone snooping on your messages might be able to get it).
  1. Click the Subscribe button.
  2. You will be sent a confirmation e-mail (usually it is delivered within ten seconds, but it can take up to a few minutes; if you do not see it, check your Spam folder). Click on the confirmation link in the message.
  3. SourceForge will display you a confirmation page where you can change some settings chosen in step 2. Click on Subscribe to list list name to complete the process.

Posting to mailing lists

To protect list subscribers from spam, you are allowed to post there only after you have subscribed, and to send e-mails from the address you are subscribed with.[4] For the same reason, first posts are subject to moderator approval to catch the cases where people sign up for the sole purpose of posting spam.[4]

When posting to the lists, discuss your problem laying it out in as much detail you can and show that you are interested in the problem. If you are willing to work on it will also help, even if it is not related to coding itself. If your discussion is more than just asking for features to be added you have a better chance of getting help and you may find people there who can give you pointers on how to approach your problem. Also, be civil - avoid bringing conflicts or noise.

Keep in mind that getting a response from the lists is usually slower than the forum and that responses may take several days. Should it take more than a week, you might want to probe the interest by responding to your own message; sometimes, there might be no reply as there is none.

Report bugs to the issue tracker

Bugs should preferably be reported to the issue tracker instead of posting them to a mailing list.

You may have to register a SourceForge account first.

External links

References