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Guidelines exist, and articles should be rewritten to follow them

TL;DR summary: There are already quoting guidelines, and work on systematically rewriting articles to use less excessive quoting should be organized.

Having read through FlightGear wiki:Manual of Style#Quotations I have realized that this page is basically moot. Sorry. There are obviously already quoting guidelines and there need not be a conflicting or double standard (pun intended).

Further it is quite clear that in most cases the use of Instant-Cquotes have been have been outside and sometimes way outside those guidelines.

We should probably instead set up a page to organize a systematic rewriting of at least the pages that need it the most. I suggest we list the pages using Instant-Cquotes in a sortable table, rate them after priority and also how much they need rewriting, and of course also show the progress. Unfortunately the page counter is gone. It would have been most helpful.

As there are so many articles, there should probably be a table per category (watch out for pages in more than one category) and probably a separate table with the very most important pages.

As so many pages are involved, this work would take "some time".

Johan G (Talk | contribs) 09:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)


I'll do my best to help. Legoboyvdlp (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Table of articles with Instant-Cquotes

Here is hopefully the full table of pages (Vim, sort, regular expressions and substitutions for sure helps a lot).

Just to clarify: A low "Effort" rating represents that it is estimated that the article need little or no work to comply with the existing quoting guidelines, and a high effort rating that they need a lot of work to comply with the guidelines. Things adding to the "Effort" rating is, in order of influence: The amount of quotes, the length of the article, the length of the quotes, and the complexity of the article subject.

Johan G (Talk | contribs) 14:11, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Priority should probably be based on the type/nature of article (e.g. those documenting existing features vs. those discussing ongoing/potential developments) --Hooray (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2016 (EDT)
Article Effort (1-5) Priority (1-5) Progress Remarks
A NavDB Web Service 3 N/A Done Done Legoboyvdlp (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
ARINC 424 2 N/A Pending Pending
Airbus Flight Simulator 1 N/A Not done Not done Not needed -- it illustrates the problem
Aircraft Center 5 N/A Pending Pending
Alternate Multiplayer Environment 4 N/A Pending Pending
Autopilot PID controller tuning resources 1 N/A Pending Pending
Autopilot configuration reference 1 N/A Pending Pending
Autostart 2 N/A Done Done Legoboyvdlp (talk) 21:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
Avidyne Entegra R9 Refactoring 4 N/A Pending Pending
Base Package Assembly 2 N/A Pending Pending
Building FlightGear 1 N/A Pending Pending
Building FlightGear - Cross Compiling 3 N/A Pending Pending
Building FlightGear with osgEarth Integration 3 N/A Pending Pending
Callbacks 1 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas - Getting started 4 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Animation Framework 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Development 5 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas EFB Framework 5 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Element 1 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas MFD Framework 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas MapStructure 4 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas MapStructure Layers 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas ND Framework 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Nasal API 1 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Nasal/JavaScript Subset 4 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas PFD Framework 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Radar 2 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Sandbox 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Snippets 1 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Troubleshooting 2 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas Widgets 3 N/A Pending Pending
Canvas-hackers 1 N/A Pending Pending
Catalog metadata 1 N/A Pending Pending
Changelog 2016.2 1 N/A Pending Pending
Chat Menu 1 N/A Pending Pending
Cleaning up legacy code 2 N/A Pending Pending
Combat Support in FlightGear 3 N/A Pending Pending
CompositeViewer Support 4 N/A Pending Pending
Control Display Unit 1 N/A Pending Pending
CrashRpt 2 N/A Pending Pending
Decoupling the AI Traffic System 4 N/A Pending Pending
Developing using CMake 1 N/A Pending Pending
Documentation compiler 2 N/A Pending Pending
Draw masks 3 N/A Pending Pending
Earth Flight Sim 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Entitlement 4 N/A Pending Pending
Error:Version Check failed 2 N/A Pending Pending Should probably be part of the FAQ.
FGCanvas 5 N/A Pending Pending
FGPythonSys 5 N/A Pending Pending
FGViewer 2 N/A Pending Pending
Failure Manager 3 N/A Pending Pending
Feature Scaling 5 N/A Pending Pending
Federate 3 N/A Pending Pending
Fgtape 4 N/A Pending Pending
File:TerraGear LOD - level 2 first level of simplification-0.png 1 N/A Pending Pending
File:TerraGear LOD in fgviewer.png 1 N/A Pending Pending
Fixing Presets 3 N/A Pending Pending
Flight Aviator 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Flight Pro Sim 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Flight Sim Pro 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Flight Simulator Plus 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightGear 4.xx Roadmap 1 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Benchmark 4 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Git: splitting fgdata 3 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Headless 4 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear I/O Considerations 4 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Launch Control 1 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Multiplayer Server 1 N/A Done Done
FlightGear Newsletter April 2015 1 N/A Not done Not done Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter August 2015 1 N/A Not done Not done Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter January 2015 2 N/A Not done Not done Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter July 2014 3 N/A Not done Not done Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter June 2015 2 N/A Not done Not done Archived Newsletter
FlightGear Newsletter May 2014 4 N/A Not done Not done While being very "messy" it is an archived Newsletter
FlightGear Package Manager 3 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Plugins 3 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Pro 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightGear Run Levels 3 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Security 1 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear Version Check 2 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear WorldTerrain SkyBox Server 4 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear and old Hardware 2 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear build server 2 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear high-level architecture support 4 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear wiki talk:Instant-Cquotes 1 N/A Pending Pending
FlightGear wiki:Instant-Cquotes 2 N/A Done Done -- ElGaton (talk to me) 02:57, 3 May 2016 (EDT) (note: a single quote has been kept for illustrative purposes)
FlightGear wiki:Village pump/Archive 2014 1 N/A Not done Not done Archived talk page
FlightProSim 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightSimPro 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
FlightSimulatorPlus 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Forum communication 3 N/A Pending Pending
GUI Messages 2 N/A Pending Pending
Garmin GNS530 3 N/A Pending Pending
Garmin GPSMap 196 3 N/A Pending Pending
Graphics Card Profiles 2 N/A Pending Pending
HLA Timeline 3 N/A Pending Pending
Helicopter Flight Simulator 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Hosting required 1 N/A Pending Pending
How the Nasal GC works 5 N/A Pending Pending
Howto talk:Parsing binary data received via UDP in C 2 N/A Pending Pending Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Place 3D objects with WED 2 N/A Pending Pending Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Troubleshooting Aircraft Performance Issues 2 N/A Pending Pending Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Troubleshooting Nasal Callbacks 2 N/A Pending Pending Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto talk:Use the system monitor 2 N/A Pending Pending Should probably be worked in into the article
Howto:Activate multi core and multi GPU support 3 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Add new fgcommands to FlightGear 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Add sound effects to aircraft 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Animated jetways 1 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Canvas Splash Screens 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Canvas Troubleshooting 3 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Coding a simple Nasal Framework 3 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Create a custom version of FlightGear 1 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Create new subsystems 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Creating SVG-based Canvas Avionics 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Decrease the number of faces 1 N/A Not done Not done The quote perfectly illustrates the situation on many computers
Howto:Disable Nasal entirely 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Dynamic Liveries via Canvas 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Editing and creating GUI dialogs in FlightGear 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Extending Canvas to support rendering 3D models 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Getting started with Glass Cockpit Avionics Development 3 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Make an aircraft 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Make nice screenshots 1 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Make subsystems optional 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Making a Canvas Menubar 3 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Multiplayer 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Optimizing FlightGear for mobile devices 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Place 3D objects with WED 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Port I/O from Nasal 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Processing legacy PUI dialogs using Canvas 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Reset/re-init Troubleshooting 3 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Shader programming in FlightGear 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Start core development 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Troubleshooting Aircraft Performance Issues 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Troubleshooting Nasal Callbacks 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Use Property Tree Objects 4 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Use the system monitor 2 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Using FlightGear as an Image Generator (IG) 1 N/A Pending Pending
Howto:Write a FlightGear Review 4 N/A Pending Pending
Implementing VNAV support in FlightGear 5 N/A Pending Pending
Initializing Nasal early 5 N/A Pending Pending
Instant Replay 2 N/A Pending Pending
Instructor Station 4 N/A Pending Pending
Integrated Qt5 Launcher 5 N/A Pending Pending
It/Come fare:Multiplayer 2 N/A Pending Pending
JSBSim vs YASim 2 N/A Pending Pending
Legacy System Support 3 N/A Pending Pending
Long Term Goals 3 N/A Pending Pending
MBB Bo 105 1 N/A Pending Pending
Mailing lists 1 N/A Pending Pending
Minimal Startup Profile 2 N/A Pending Pending
Modeling - Getting Started 1 N/A Pending Pending
Modularizing, parallelizing and distributing FlightGear 5 N/A Pending Pending
Multi-Threading in FlightGear 4 N/A Pending Pending
Multiplayer protocol 1 N/A Pending Pending
Nasal HLA standalone 4 N/A Pending Pending
Nasal Loops 2 N/A Pending Pending
Nasal for C++ programmers 4 N/A Pending Pending
Nasal library 3 N/A Pending Pending
Nasal success stories 3 N/A Pending Pending
Nasal/CppBind 4 N/A Pending Pending
Navdata cache 5 N/A Pending Pending
No1realflightsimever 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
OSG on screen stats 2 N/A Pending Pending
OculusImplementation 1 N/A Pending Pending
OpenCL in FlightGear 4 N/A Pending Pending
Osm2city.py 2 N/A Pending Pending
PagedLOD 5 N/A Pending Pending
Particle system 4 N/A Pending Pending
Pro Flight Simulator 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Pro Flight Simulator 2013 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
ProFlightSimulator 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Project Farmin 3 N/A Pending Pending
Project Rembrandt 4 N/A Pending Pending
Property Tree/Web Server 2 N/A Pending Pending
Property browser 2 N/A Pending Pending
PropertyList XML files 2 N/A Pending Pending
Pros Flight Simulator Suite 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Python in FlightGear 4 N/A Pending Pending
Random Buildings 2 N/A Pending Pending
Reaching for the stars 3 N/A Pending Pending
Real Flight Simulator 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Realism 1 N/A Done Done Legoboyvdlp (talk) 21:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)
Recommended Property Tree Enhancements 1 N/A Pending Pending
Red Bull Air Race 1 N/A Not done Not done The single quote was left as is
Release plan 2 N/A Pending Pending
Release plan/Lessons learned 5 N/A Pending Pending
Release: Airport Selection Criteria 3 N/A Pending Pending
Remote Properties 5 N/A Pending Pending
Reset & re-init 4 N/A Pending Pending
Resolving Paths 2 N/A Pending Pending
Resource Tracking for FlightGear 4 N/A Pending Pending
SG LOG 2 N/A Pending Pending
SPT Loader 5 N/A Pending Pending
Scenery 3 N/A Pending Pending
Scripted AI Objects 3 N/A Pending Pending
Scripted SVG parser for Canvas 2 N/A Pending Pending
Shader requests 2 N/A Pending Pending
Slaving for Dummies 3 N/A Pending Pending
SpaceFDM 4 N/A Pending Pending
Startup Situations 3 N/A Pending Pending
Startup log file 2 N/A Pending Pending
Status of AI in FlightGear 5 N/A Pending Pending
Superbuild 2 N/A Pending Pending
Supporting multiple renderers 4 N/A Pending Pending
Switching default texture format to DDS 5 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:ALS technical notes 3 N/A Pending Pending Development suggestions should probably be condensed and published elsewhere
Talk:Bombable 2 N/A Pending Pending Development suggestions should probably be condensed and published elsewhere
Talk:Canvas Development 3 N/A Pending Pending Development suggestions should probably be condensed and published elsewhere
Talk:Canvas Snippets 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:CrashRpt 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:Draw masks 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:External Cargo Proposal (Slung Load) 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:FlightGear 4.xx Roadmap 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:FlightGear Multiplayer Server 4 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:FlightGear Version Check 2 N/A Pending Pending Development suggestions should probably published elsewhere
Talk:FlightGear build server 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:Mailing lists 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:Particle system 3 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:Switching default texture format to DDS 1 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:TerraGear roadmap 3 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:Towards better troubleshooting 2 N/A Pending Pending
Talk:Understanding Rembrandt 1 N/A Pending Pending
Telnet usage 2 N/A Pending Pending
Template talk:Repo link 1 N/A Pending Pending
Template:Callback Disclaimer 2 N/A Pending Pending
Template:CppBind Ideas 4 N/A Pending Pending
Template:FGCquote 1 N/A Not done Not done Illustrates the use of the template
TerraGear roadmap 1 N/A Pending Pending
TerraGear scenery build server 3 N/A Pending Pending
TerraSync 1 N/A Pending Pending
The FlightGear Front-End Situation 2 N/A Pending Pending
The FlightGear Initialization Sequence 1 N/A Pending Pending
The FlightGear Main Loop 5 N/A Pending Pending
The FlightGear Rendering Pipeline 4 N/A Pending Pending
The Property tree and HLA 2 N/A Pending Pending
Time in FlightGear 4 N/A Pending Pending
Towards better troubleshooting 4 N/A Pending Pending
Troubleshooting crashes 2 N/A Pending Pending
Turbulence 2 N/A Pending Pending
USB HID Support 3 N/A Pending Pending
Understanding Forward Compatibility 3 N/A Pending Pending
Understanding Rembrandt 4 N/A Pending Pending
Unifying the 2D rendering backend via canvas 3 N/A Pending Pending
User:Hamzaalloush N/A N/A Not done Not done Quote on user page added by the user
User:Hooray/SandBox/FlightGear Performance and Run-Time Footprint Debate N/A N/A Not done Not done Quotes on user page added by the user
User:Red Leader/Sandbox/AJAX test N/A N/A Not done Not done Quotes on user page added by the user
Using OSM Vector Data in FlightGear 3 N/A Pending Pending
Using listeners and signals with Nasal 2 N/A Pending Pending
Virtual ATC Discussion 4 N/A Pending Pending
Virtual CoPilot 5 N/A Pending Pending
VirtualPilot3D 1 N/A Not done Not done See Airbus Flight Simulator
Volunteer 4 N/A Pending Pending
Vsync 3 N/A Pending Pending
Waypoint 2 N/A Pending Pending
Weekly Developer Hangout 3 N/A Pending Pending
Wiki Housekeepking 2 N/A Pending Pending
I am now done rating the articles and assessing the work required took about five hours in total.
I feel I should probably clarify that articles rated 1 (one), those requiring the least work, is the ones not really requiring any work. The articles rated 5 (five) I would suspect could take several hours to work days (each) to get in line with the manual of style and into good articles (in essence concise yet comprehensive and without redundant statements or repetitions, and of course also correct and interlinked with other articles).
Even with a small team dedicated only to getting these articles in order it would take a long time. I am a bit frustrated with myself for not raising the issue a long time ago.
Regarding the priority, what criteria should there be? Often used features, much linked articles, closer to core and/or other aspects?
Also, I am considering splitting this article in two parts: One part as part of a much needed wiki quality improvement project, and one larger part that should probably be merged into the FlightGear wiki:Instant-Cquotes article.
Johan G (Talk | contribs) 03:27, 4 April 2016 (EDT)